“Not all countries have the same values and legal system that we have in Canada. As a result, it is important for you to be informed about the legal framework and social customs governing sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression and sex characteristics in your destination country,” that page notes.
Wow, way to understate that. I suppose they have to downplay it though because if they were honest about the state of the US then they’d have to acknowledge that large swaths of the US can no longer be considered even remotely safe for members of the LGBT community. As such, they would have to consider the possibility that of members of the LGBT community might seek asylum in Canada and if so, that they could no longer turn them away on the basis that the US is a safe harbor (iirc many countries ban US citizens from seeking asylum because the US is supposed to be a “safe country”).
Edit: Canada likes to claim that LGBT people from the US and UK can achieve refugee status, however the US-Canada Safe Third Country agreement says otherwise. Note that while there are exceptions to the agreement, none of them involve people who are members of the LGBT and/or BIPOC communities. In fact, it sounds like, based on the canada.ca link, that Canada recently expanded it to make it harder for people to claim refugee status if they’re coming from the US, which is kinda the opposite of what they should be doing.
There’s a chance that me and my sister might be fleeing to Canada if the situation gets bad enough even in the safer parts of the US, but even then, I know Canada has its own growing problems with fascism, and I’m looking into backup plans if things get bad enough there as well.
At the end of the day though, we may just run out of places we can run to.
The fascists in Canada are just a vocal minority.
A minority, but they are loud and have influence. I still remember the convoy that shut down the country for weeks.
The Convoy terrorized a city for weeks. Maybe shut down certain aspects of that city. The rest of Canada was largely unaffected.
It still was a scary situation to me, and reminded me a lot of the Jan 6 insurrection. It wasn’t just Ottawa either that was terrorized though. There were smaller convoys that terrorized towns in Alberta, and there were several border crossings that were blocked by truckers.
Canada may be a more tolerant place than America, but it still faces a lot of the same vulnerabilities that we face here from being overtaken by a militant minority.
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Same. Tbh I fully expect that if I tried however, they’d just turn me back and cite the legal agreement that basically states that Americans can’t be refugees.
I hope the new v2 update doesn’t come with a battlepass.
Where can I find the patch notes?
LGBTQ what now?
Two-Spirited. Apparently it’s a Native American term used to indicate a third gender.
Damn. New version already?
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goddamnit I remember joking that one day there’d be the entire alphabet stuck on the end of that acronym – remember when it was just LGB? – and now they’re adding fucken’ numbers
They’re “adding fucken’ numbers” because the 2 counts for 2-spirited, an indigenous Canadian and American concept that they are respecting. And you should fucken’ respect it too considering what has been done to those indigenous people in the last 500 years.
honest question, what’s this “two-spirit” term? I can’t find a straight forward explanation on the web
AFAIK, it’s basically people with different spirits inside them, falls in the gender queer domain, like being trans/NB (not a sexual orientation)
It primarily seems to be a First Nations/Native American identity, and appears to have a decently long history throughout time.
It also has a kinda cool flag.
Interesting. So it is a myth based orientation?
No disrespect I’m trying to understand if these people actually believe they are non binary, or if they believe a mythological entity lives within them
Their souls contain metaphysical aspects of both masculine and feminine tradition. They may contain an entire soul of both genders. None of these things are external. There is no separate or outside entity. All of the soul within them is them. Anything more specific requires knowing the person and their culture. Don’t worry about mapping it onto your worldview. Just accept it within theirs.
Absolute acceptance, just clarifying that it is myth based.
That’s an offensive way to refer to someone’s religious and cultural experiences. Being two spirit is a gnostic spiritual experience that is both current and real. Calling it a myth isn’t acceptance. It’s judgement, the imposing of your frame of reference on their lived experience.
Fact: people retain their own identities and alignments (even multiple!) In their own head, and that’s great.
Fact: souls and spirits are not proven to exist.
If people want to believe in religion and myth, that’s totally fine. It’s not my “judgement” to learn about, and acknowledge that others pursue traditions based in myth.
When I use the word myth I’m not singling out any one faith, all religion is myth based.
This isn’t a respectful attempt to understand two spirit people. You are intentionally using dismissive language that implies a lack of validity to their lived experiences. “It’s fine that you think and do these things, but it’s all in your head, and your reasoning is made up nonsense.” is something trans people of all sorts hear before their rights are attacked and diminished. It’s something I have heard out of the mouth of flesh and blood humans in front of me. The structure with which you address two spirit people is comparably delegitimizing. If you must handle this with familiar terms instead of seeking the third party gnostic understanding of empathy, consider it a cultural metaphor. Because this metaphor contains facts and realities that you don’t understand, even if they are couched in ideas you personally find implausible, and you’re never going to really understand these facts by simple reframing. You have to understand from their perspective to deconstruct and reconstruct the truths held in the two spirit experience into your reality.
Two Spirit is a non binary identity with a specific cultural context within the history of indigenous peoples. In Canada, due to the increased focus on dealing with the reconciliation of Indigenous peoples the current Acronym is 2SLGBTQIA as it sort of symbolicly puts precedent on amplifying indigenous voices in the movement.
That doesn’t explain it at all. By this context the term could mean gay and native Canadian.
I too am curious about this term “2 spirits”. From the above explanation and the term itself, I assume it means the person pretty much has a male and female component, thus “2 spirits”. Sounds like gender fluid or non-binary to me but I’m not an expert on the differences.
Two spirit in a Canadian Indigenous context refers to people who identify as having two spirits inside of them. They have the spirits of both a man and a woman, so in terms outside Indigenous culture I think the most related term would be non-binary.
It’s interesting to see this. There’s got to be a list for more of these from all over the world.
It’s a non-binary so neither male nor female aligned and it’s basically not something someone who is not of the tribes where it’s a thing can use the label. So that’s basically the cliff notes.
To get more granular it’s a partially ceremonial category of gender that is neither male nor female. Culturally this third gender has unique cultural and social roles similar to how male and female do that are unique to that culture. It’s a social category that has it’s own modes of dress, rituals and social expectations applied to it. Western culture doesn’t exactly have a rigid third gender classification in this way so there’s not much that two Spirit can be easily compared one to one with making it difficult to explain. Two Spirit people are sort of formally recognized by their people and assume the cultural trappings of this third gender role.
It’s not linked to a specific tribe and is kind of an umbrella term, these third gender roles are a feature of a lot of different tribes that all call them something specific in their own languages so “two spirit” is just an English speaker’s short cut to referring non-specifically to a person occupying one of potentially dozen different varieties of these different culture’s third gender categories.
Most places in the world recognize two genders and their respective social roles: men and women. Some places recognize a third gender and its respective social and/or ceremonial role. This is the case for (some) North American Indigenous people, and two-spirit is a catch-all term to refer to a third gender role that they recognize.
It’s hard to map onto the more standard two gender system that most of us are familiar with. When you think of men as the breadwinners and women as the child bearers, some cultures think of an additional distinct third gender with a designated social/ceremonial role.
But as you might have thought while reading that, men being the breadwinners and women being the child bearers is already a fairly outdated view of gender and social roles. Turns out social constructs are messier than they seem when you start to really analyze them and attempt to strictly define them.
TLDR: two-spirit is a catch-all term for a type of queer identity recognized by some North American Indigenous cultures.
So, at risk of being reductive: it’s like non-binary, but in the way some North American indigenous cultures see it
It’s reductive, but still close enough if you don’t know/interact with nonbinary or two-spirit people on a regular basis. At least to the extent of my understanding.
Two spirit in a Canadian Indigenous context refers to people who identify as having two spirits inside of them. They have the spirits of both a man and a woman, so outside Indigenous culture I think the most related term would be non-binary.
isn’t that just multiple personality disorder
Why the 2?
LGBTQ 2 has better graphics, split-screen multiplayer, a customizable interface, and hot-swappable controls. It also supports macros.
But now you have to pay for DLC maps.
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Version 2 maybe?
2nd edition. Same dice.
Advanced LGBTQ & Bad Dragons.
Alphabet v2
Lol
It’s LGBT Q2. It’s the second quarter for the LGBT corporation.
Is that when our fiscal year ends?
It stands for “two spirit,” which is an Indigenous term for a gender identity similar to being transgender. Canada has been making a more concerted effort to acknowledge and respect Indigenous views and traditions, so it’s added to the LGBT+ acronym in Canada
I always thought it was for 2A, for asexual and ally.
Having allies be a part of the acronym is a whole other debate though.
I have no idea what any of this means lol. How’s it different from the T? If they “added” it on, then where did the + go? I’m old and confused and people are just people regardless so I have no idea what is the correct term for anyone anymore, y’all are just humans to me.
There are a lot of differing opinions on what should be used, LGBT, LGBTQ, LGBTQ+, LGBTQIA, etc, etc. I appreciate what inclusive acronyms try to do, but it does get very burdensome for non-queer people. I typically just use “queer”, personally, though you obviously have to be a little careful with that one depending on context and perhaps it isn’t always entirely encompassing. E.g. are intersex people “queer”? They just have abnormal sex chromosomes.
-A queer
The 2, in this case, is about respecting Indigenous Canadians. I think it’s warranted.
Personally I’ve always liked GSRM (Gender, Sexual, and Romantic Minorities). Unfortunately that probably won’t catch on anytime soon.
GSRM sounds like a knock off of Grand Theft Auto. Where you cause chaos and crime in some Romanian cities.
I’m pretty sure GSRM wrote A Song of Ice and Fire.
Well imo, to make it easier for people… since the acronym started as LGBT, why not make it LGBT+. It is short and sweet, and less letters to remember.
+1 for the simpler queer term.
There’s also GRSM (Gender Relational and Sexual Minorities) which I find much more meaningful than LGBTQIA2S+. First it isn’t a mash-up of a load of loosely related terms and, secondly, it also includes D/s relationships or ENM (Ethical Non Monogamy) for example. Sadly it doesn’t seem to be getting much traction anywhere ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Dang, I hadn’t heard of that, but I like it! It’s a shame it isn’t very “catchy” I suppose lol.
Trans generally means a man born in a woman’s body or a woman born in a man’s body. People who are trans prefer to be treated as the gender they are inside, whether or not they appear to be that gender externally, just like traditional men would take offense to being referred to as she or her. It’s fine to see people as just people but you should acknowledge that you wouldn’t want to be referred to as the wrong gender and neither do trans people.
Two-spirit appears to be more of an umbrella term for native American third genders, with no single general meaning. The third gender part appears to be important, meaning they are neither male nor female on the inside, regardless of what gender they may appear to be. Take this with a grain of salt since this is the first time I’ve heard the term and just looked it up. There appears to be some contention around the meaning, so I’m probably wrong.
What if you don’t believe in spirits or souls?
You get kicked out of the rainbow and have to make your own rainbow.
When did the rainbow go from “it’s OK that some people want to have sex with their own gender” to “you must believe in abstract religious concepts”
LGBT was so popular that they made a sequel with 200% the gay
If LGBTQ is so good, why isn’t there… holy shit.
I’m not sure of why anything but Q is involved, doesn’t Queer basically cover everything that isn’t Hetero? Also I thought people were against labels, but maybe I was wrong since everyone seems to want a label now.
Also I thought people were against labels, but maybe I was wrong since everyone seems to want a label now.
You are wrong.
Why are you talking at all, if you don’t know the answer to the question?
Because talking is what you do on forums.
Your post and criticism is similarly valueless, as you don’t provide any answers, as is mine
Sometimes people simply want to engage in the discussion.
Don’t know the answer to your question but wanted to support the question anyway. I don’t get why you’re being downvoted
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What does two spirit mean?
It’s a term for a third gender used by some Native Americans :)
Thanks! I’d never heard of it and my comment asking about it was a bit judgey, but I appreciate the info.
So nice to see public safety taken seriously. I don’t fit into the letters but also know full well that if a state is that intolerant then I won’t fare well either so I avoid said state. With the atmosphere some states are building , anyone can be caught up in their net of Others to be othered. Hell they can just make shit up as they are doing already, logic and reasoning are not a part of this whole scheme.
There was a petition to offer refugee status to LGBT Americans put before the House of Commons recently, I just got an email update about it because I signed it, and apparently they accept some refugees on this basis, but it doesn’t look like many. I say open the borders and bring me your gays, America. We’ll be nicer to them than you are.
I was born to go dance and cycle all over montreal. Im in a northern state, rural, fuck all going on here.
To be honest a lot of Canada is very provincial in location and mental state. But at least we’re mostly nice.
TERF Island is welcoming the whole LGBT?
My fiance and I have been looking into moving to Canada. He’s a librarian in a small town and things are not looking so great.
Please promise to not vote for any Conservatives and we’ll welcome you with open arms
It’s really expensive unfortunately, but it’s a hell of a lot safer by and large.
We’re planning on lilypadding our way up through New England while we go through the citizenship process. These next few years are gonna suck major ass.
Wait you mean I could leave America? I would probably take that offer.
Come stay with me. You just gotta walk my dog if I’m late from work.
Be careful with offers like that. There are several million more Americans looking to flee than you can house.
I wish I was joking
No I know. I’d honestly help people though.
There’s a part 2 now? How much better is it? Or is the original always the best?
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The first one did not become as popular as many people hoped. Yet, plenty remain hopeful that the imminent sequel faces less stigma.
laughs in Aliens and Terminator 2
Aliens and Terminator 2 was really the surprise crossover hit of the decade.
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What are you talking about?
Strangely Canada is the only country I travelled to from Europe where I was verbally asked in their airport border control: if I was Mormon, as not, what my religion was, and if I was gay. Not the tolerant country I always heard about.
At least make the lie believable
I don’t lie but you won’t believe what you don’t want to. Therefore, bye.
I live in Canada and I’ve never heard of this happening. Did they just straight up ask you this at customs?
Yes, he was the police admission controller in the airport. The one who decides if you can access it not the country. I was 21yo. I dislike people don’t believing me but that supports the fact that those questions were as inappropriated as I always thought.
I don’t believe you.
You were getting hit on by a gay ex-Mormon. He was awkward. He wants you to know he’s sorry he made you uncomfortable.
What? That’s definitely an exception.
This was my awkward episode in Canada as I expected the country to be open minded and tolerant.
LGBTQ2 - the long-awaited sequel.
Best thing since they announced pussy 2
I can’t say I blame them.
