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Who is the blue space man and where can i find his books?
Can confirm. I’m on disability and cannot afford food and medication and bills at the same time. My Internet will be cut later this month because I did the crime of paying for my medication so I didn’t want to kill myself. I am starving but at least I didn’t feel like my soul was being drained.
It’s just depressing that if I want to feel slightly okay I have to not eat for days so I can justify getting my medication. Or dumpster diving to supplement food, which I’m gonna be doing in a couple hours.
Life is suffering and I’m tired of it.
If you’re in the US, the Affordable Connectivity Program is available to low income families and it covers $30 a month off your existing internet bill.
PCsForPeople (not sure if I can provide links on Lemmy) offers a free mobile hotspot plan with unlimited data that you can use as home internet, if you qualify for the ACP.
Just an FYI, since there are programs that help, but not everyone is aware of them.
Alas I am not American, but I appreciate it.
Under socialism food isn’t produce.
In your fantasy maybe
Name just one socialist country that have produce any :)
And history books
produce
they said Peace, Land and Bread, not Peace, Land and Cucumbers
Anyone care to argue against generic opinions generated by bots? If so, you are in the right place.
Capitalism is the greatest expression of human greed.
A note: Most countries subsidise their farmers because those countries realise that leaving food security up to the market is a bad idea.
This is part of the reason that the governments pay farmers to grow various crops etc.
we need food it needs to be as cheap as possible
They also pay farmers not to grow crops if they’re afraid a surplus will negatively affect the market.
Major Major’s father was a sober God-fearing man whose idea of a good joke was to lie about his age. He was a long-limbed farmer, a God-fearing, freedom-loving, law-abiding rugged individualist who held that federal aid to anyone but farmers was creeping socialism. He advocated thrift and hard work and disapproved of loose women who turned him down. His specialty was alfalfa, and he made a good thing out of not growing any. The government paid him well for every bushel of alfalfa he did not grow. The more alfalfa he did not grow, the more money the government gave him, and he spent every penny he didn’t earn on new land to increase the amount of alfalfa he did not produce. Major Major’s father worked without rest at not growing alfalfa. On long winter evenings he remained indoors and did not mend harness, and he sprang out of bed at the crack of noon every day just to make certain that the chores would not be done. He invested in land wisely and soon was not growing more alfalfa than any other man in the county. Neighbors sought him out for advice on all subjects, for he had made much money and was therefore wise. “As ye sow, so shall ye reap,” he counseled one and all, and everyone said, “Amen.
Joseph Heller, Catch-22
From my experience my government likes to play with how this money is distributed and gets a good media coverage without media mentioning problems with how things are done.
we need food it needs to be as cheap as possible
I agree that we need food. Why do you say it needs to be as cheap as possible? The cheaper it is the less value people will give it and the more food will go to waste.
It needs to be cheap so poor people don’t die of starvation.
I don’t understand how some people don’t get this. I think they don’t see the poor as humans.
The problem is not the food price. The problem is the unfair distribution of wealth. The solution is to ensure every person can afford a decent standard of living.
Making food cheaper just shifts the problem: More food imported (=>traffic, noise, co2), less incentive to produce food (=>scarcity), worse conditions for workers and livestock (=>unequality, animal abuse), higher reliance on preservatives, pest control and drugged livestock (=>potential negative side effects), more food waste (=>inefficiency).
Then make it free
Do you also have a reply that describes your reasoning and addesses any of the counterarguments made?
Dangit bobbi
Just speaking logically, the last sentence doesn’t follow from the first. It’s just a statement on its own with no justification.
Little Bobby made a full, coherent sentence, amazing!
During the pandemic I watched grocery stores buy poison to dump on their trash, which they paid armed people to guard. They then paid other people to haul it away. All this to prevent poor people from taking it away for free.
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supermarket in us throw away food eveyday that can feed millions
It opens one up to liability to donate past-date food, even though past-date food is perfectly edible. Change the laws around food donations and you will see quite a bit more of it. Governments could even buy the past-date food and many places would be happy to sell it for very cheap.
This isn’t true and is a stubborn myth with absolutely no underlying evidence.
Liability protections for food donors and non-profit recipients exist so long as the food donated is in compliance of federal food safety and labeling rules and is donated in good faith without gross negligence.
Some states call them food donation laws, other states call them Samaritan protection laws, but laws exist at both the federal and state level to protect people who are donating food.
They don’t donate food because they don’t want to. They don’t want to because they are monsters.
People have literally been arrested for donating perfectly good food. These people were arrested too. I’m sure the people put in jail would heavily disagree with the idea ‘it’s just a myth’.
Edit: For good measure, here is another group in another location arrested for donating food.
The specific cases you mentioned are for food services not donations.
Donating food is protected by law. Serving food in public is not.
For what it’s worth I don’t think that these arrests were made in good faith either, but no grocery stores, restaurants, or food distributors have been arrested for donating surplus food.
under communism, food is only produced because the central planning committee set a quota for it. unfortunately, distribution requires resources the central planning committee did not account for and the foodstuffs rot in the fields.
Under modern food production systems that are entirely for profit we have had less famine in the world than any prior generation and especially far less famine in the world than in any communist nation that has tried to go and produce food without profit motives.
Ideas like this one will lead far more people to starve.
@bioemerl Many many more people who would otherwise starve no longer starve. Many many more people who would otherwise have access to nutritional food are now surrounded by food that makes them sick.
I hope we can agree that both are true and there are ways to do better.
We failed with no profit motive and we failed by maximizing profit motive. I don’t think this idea would cause any more people to starve. I worry about our ongoing, collective failures of imagination.
No, I don’t know how to solve the problem.
No, I don’t know how to solve the problem.
It’s really not hard, You just push for regulations. Problem is, people like their junk food so they are almost always against regulations against it.
We are a democracy at the end of the day and taking away people’s favorite foods is going to cause politicians to get voted out of office, even if it’s better for them.
You’re spot on. Furthermore, under socialism/communism countless millions have starved to death due to governmental incompetence. The op has obviously never studied history.
Under capitalism there is so much food that most people are overweight. Under communism on the other hand, people can’t afford food and subsequently starve to death.
Under communism food will be free
“Can’t afford” is projection
Lmao, gotta call all the people living in the street and starving to death in capitalist countries that it’s their own fucking fault, they probably havent noticed they are in a capitalist country and not in a communist one i guess.
No system is perfect. Which would you prefer, the one where many more people starve to death, or the one where significantly less people starve to death?
Why are you presenting those choices as if they’re the only ones available? We can choose to have a system where nobody starves to death.
Things holding us back: fascists, capitalists, dictators, monarchs, oligarchs.
Steps in the right direction: socialist policies like social security, universal healthcare, road management, electricity distribution, public transportation, public education, and others. Including welfare, which includes food and other basic necessities.
Oh, and mustn’t forget people like you, who like to deem themselves the arbiters of all such choices and demand reality bend to your silly whims. Or rather, you like to misrepresent reality as a narrowminded fantasy, because in it you may not be powerful, but at least you can pretend like you know things.
I’m not presenting them as the only two options. I’m contrasting them to point out that capitalism is a much better system for feeding people. Again, that is why people Americans are so enormous.
And comments like this are why everyone hates yanks
No, you’re creating a false dichotomy by stating what you continue to fall back to (many starve vs fewer starve) to attempt to paint capitalism in a good light. I can’t fathom why.
The less evil of two systems is not only vulnerable to misrepresentation, but full on deception. Capitalism is often presented as the only viable alternative to communism, without acknowledging that communism has never existed without authoritarianism/fascism. Without acknowledging that capitalism was a ploy to keep the “royal families” and other such imbeciles as powerful as they were during their respective monarchies, all while pretending the serfs could own stuff too.
Just because you picked one doesn’t make it not evil. It just makes you a sucker. And yeah, American are fat, harhar, except we also have almost an equal amount of poor people starve or die homeless in the street.
The reason I’m pointing all this out is because you’re part of the fucking problem. Stop pretending capitalism is some gift to the world and face the fucking facts.
