The fucking bing bar pop-up!!
This headline should be “Microsoft forces people to ditch Edge by using malware-like pop-ups in Windows 11 to get people to ditch Google.”
How are you guys seeing this? I constantly hear these complaints but never see it myself.
Depends on the laws of the country with the language you picked during setup.
e.g. use UK english or German for setup and change after.
At least until they switch to detect via IP range or whatever.
Oh maybe that’s it. I’ve also never seen any kind of popup or ad (same thing for my Samsung TVs) that I’ve seen people mentioning.
I had no idea why I might be spared.
I’m in the US, using English as my language. Idk, this is weird.
I installed windows 10 on my brothers PC for him the other day after a catastrophically corrupted prior install. I saw seven ads by my count.
Ones for Spotify, onedrive, office 365, several for gamepass.
Did you install an official version? I’ve never seen those.
Yes Sir, straight from the windows media creator tool
Windows acting like oldschool viruses, giving random ad pop-ups 💀
I assume it’s just a test they’re running on specific groups of people just to see how effective it is in getting people to switch. I’ve never had any of these types of things happen to me either, so, yeah.
Makes sense. I guess I’ve been a very lucky boy.
I’m in the US and the only time I see mention of edge is when installing windows and then again when changing my default browser, which is kinda silly but not something I bother wasting mental energy to care about when it’s something that shows up once and then never again. I would love to see legislation in the US match what some of the European countries have but considering how things could be, it’s of least concern to me. I paid for Windows once in my life via an OEM license I ordered from a German retailer and I’ve had about 16 or so computers since then and all of those have either been custom built machines, used computers, or parted together boxes so if they want to bug me about installing their browser which effectively will recoup revenue based on data from me which varies from useless to misleading and probably becomes a net negative and moves them further from their goal. Then sure, I don’t mind clicking that “no thank you” button
The yes and no button do the same thing.
Yeah, same.
My personal laptop updated itself from 10 to 11, and 11 is infuriating. Never mind the pop ups and ads, the whole thinf just sucks. This was just the extra bit of incentive that I needed to switch back to Linux Mint. Thanks, MS!
I mean on one hand, terrible behavior. On the other, good.
I mean, if it’s just a switch to Bing it’s not really any better.
I mean I see your point, but you cold also argue that anything that can weaken a monopoly is a good thing, in the grand scheme of things
Who’s monopoly are we talking about? If that’s the goal then Firefox + DuckDuckGo would be more sensible right?
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Of course it would be more sensible, but that was not the point
DuckDuckGo’s search results suck, is there another alternative I can use that gets its indexes from google? I don’t care about censorship
I think Ecosia pulls results from Bing if that’s any better? I use them occasionally but generally prefer DDG.
I use StartPage but it’s incredibly slow.
Ah yeh, I tried StartPage for a while. IIRC the image results page wasn’t so great. Not many filter options and so on.
I mean, if it’s just a switch to Bing it’s not really any better.
Search wise? No. Competition wise? Yes.
Google has too much power.
I’m never installing windows 11.
I’m switching to full time Linux after Windows 10 becomes 100% obsolete.
And instead I simply dropped Windows.
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Perhaps I just did something stupid, but I just found Bing and anothernMS app in my Android phone’s app list… never explicitly installed those. I do have Authenticator, though (for work). Has MS stooped to piggybacking their crap from others silently now?
Apps cannot install other apps without your permission.
You probably just have a shit phone with loads of shovelware on it.
LineageOS? plus Magisk (yes I have rooted it, so perhaps that allowed an opening somwhere). I will have to watch to see if anything re-appears I suppose.
Since i installed outlook a “search with bing” option appeared in my long-press menu. So yes, it is possible.
I’ve been using windows for nearly as long as it has existed and I used to always be happy with updates. Even windows vista, despite all its problem, still felt like an upgrade compared to xp.
Then windows 8 started changing things in a direction I was not happy with, but at the same time it also had improvements over win7. Windows 10 repeated that with plenty of bad things but still overshadowed by massive improvements in many areas.
At this point windows was at its peak in some areas, like stability (when was the last time you saw a BSOD without actual faulty hardware?) and usability. Multiple Desktops, WSL2, the new Terminal…so many great things added in win10 updates.
And then comes win11 and shits at everything. Removed a ton of core features that didn’t need removing, broke a lot of compatibility with older stuff (something that Microsoft used to care deeply about) and adds… Nothing. It’s been quite a while since win11 released and there’s still nothing I can point at and say it does better than win10.
If you’re going to do all sorts of stuff with my data you should at least try to make me happy with your product in exchange, not make me dread using it every time.
Thoughtful take! Ditto.
what does “Ditto” mean?
It’s a bastardisation of the Latin idem dito
“say the same”. I assume it means something like “this”?
Yes. “Likewise” and “I agree wholeheartedly” work as well
that’s cool
It an expression that means “I agree with what you just said”
ahh, make sense. Thanks
Ditto (Japanese: メタモン Metamon) is a Normal-type Pokémon introduced in Generation I.
In its natural state, Ditto is a light-purple or pink blob-like Pokémon with vestigial facial features. It is often referred to as amorphous, but has a relatively consistent appearance in official artwork, including two small nubs on its “head”, a few soft lumps at its base, and two pseudopod-like protrusions in place of arms. The face consists of beady eyes and a simple mouth; almost always pulled into a smile.
It is capable of transforming into an exact replica of any physical object or living creature, including its form and abilities. Each Ditto has its own strengths and weaknesses when it comes to transforming; being unable to remain transformed while laughing and getting details of its transformation wrong if based on memory being apparently universal.
brooo LMFAO
It means “I feel the same way you do and would have said it myself, so I acknowledge and applaud that you said it first”.
Which core functions did they remove and which did they break?
I can’t say that I miss anything from Windows 10 or before that. I disliked the new settings they introduced at first but I think it has seen some improvments (or maybe I am better at navigating it?) but it has really grown on me.
Being backwards compatible can be important (I really appreciated it when I wanted to install a game for Windows 95 on Windows XP) but you have to cut support at some point in order to implement features otherwise not possible, or to just save time and money doing it. It is like trying to develop for the web and you still see people talking about support IE6 (or IE in general).
Win 10 and 11 are nowhere close to a fully transitioned unified settings menu, they somehow made dialouge box hell worse. its easier to list what doesnt.
- Android
- most Linux systems
- IOS
- TVs
- IOT
- non IOT things like Microwaves
- Chromeos
- off-brand feature phone OS’es
Microsoft Windows
Control Panel will propably remain for another 20 years, just like everything else in Windows, but I still like more. Combined with winget-cli, installing and uninstall is almost as good as on Linux.
I’m sorry, but I just have to mention that I find funny that the features you chose to illustrate “peak” Windows are all prime Linux features. Including installing Linux itself as a sub-system. At that point might as well cut-out the middle man.
I do use Linux every day as well. It has its own set of problems, but not the subject here.
They should ditch the pop-ups and instead go ahead and make Edge/Bing the default without permission. There’s nothing users can do but complain and accept it.
They are already half way there. File defaults often reset without an obvious reason. It’s been happening since 10.
Not sure if you’re being sarcastic, but that’s how they got in trouble with Internet Explorer in the EU.
You don’t need to add “-like”, The Verge. This fits the definition of malware.
But I already ditched it
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While both companies are predatory I would never use Edge because its so bad and bloated its not even funny.
Edge is better than Chrome. Which isn’t that hard these days…
Really? I have tested Edge on other people’s pc long time ago. Whats your opinion on it.
I daily edge at work because I just wanted to and I like how it integrates with our domain. It’s fine, but I did have to spend some time turning off weird things like price trackers or whatever it was.
I still use Firefox at home though.
I use firefox all the time but I get random freezes and stutters when I’m watching YouTube. Is it because of the number of addons I have?
Run Firefox with all add-ons disabled for a baseline check.Then turn on/off hardware acceleration in settings
And I feel like that happened really quickly. It doesn’t feel like that long ago that Edge was a nice, nimble browser. Not this bloated naggy beast it is now.
I find Edge better than Chrome at the very least. Granted, I don’t use either as my main options, but between the two Edge seems more responsive and lighter than Chrome (and before anyone misunderstands, I know they both use the same engine, I’m referring to … well, prior to Google, I would have referred to it as the chrome, but can’t really do that now… the application around the engine).
Edge is just Chromium now.
Always has been.
I want the old Edge (pre-Chromium) back. It is the best EPUB reader. Simple yet elegant. Sad they doesn’t bring it back.
Why not just use Calibre?
Calibre performance is worst then the old Edge in term of loading time. The old Edge loads almost instantly. Plus the interface is more user friendly then Calibre.
