Thus the highest form of generalship is to balk the enemy’s plans; the next best is to prevent the junction of the enemy’s forces; the next in order is to attack the enemy’s army in the field; and the worst policy of all is to besiege walled cities.
Breaching those lines was never going to be quick, but once breached the line will move quicker.
Depends how deep the lines are. They have breached the first line at some points. However as per ukrainians, after the first line is the second line and so on. Russia knows how to make deep defences and anywhere, where they lose one line, they will adjust and start added more lines to the rear to compensate for the lost line. First line lost, second line is now first line, third line is second and so on and add the new Nth line, since the old Nth is now Nth-1 line.
It will be a slow slug and battering ram fest, unless Russian army morale breaks/ supplies exhaust and they run.
I saw a WSJ article yesterday saying they’ve been the final defense line
The line doesn’t need to move quicker, and Ukraine moving slowly and shoring up every meter they take is going to work out better long term. They aren’t on a march to invade their lost territory, they are on a march to the Azov sea to cut Russia’s only remaining land access to Crimea.
They are building a wall of men and weapons and once that reaches Azov they only have to defend it - and Ukraine are very good at defence.
Then the only way Russia has to get anything to Crimea is the Kerch bridge which is almost inevitably going to be destroyed.
As an european taxpayer who see Ukrainian in Jaguar and Audi Q7 driving aroung in my country, I would say to these pain in the ass to shut up! Never seen such an arrogant people, they are in a conflict, getting free supply of everything and they complain!
Those are the ones you see. How do you tell a Ukrainian from your own countrymen on a bus? They’re not all rich, they’re not all assholes, they are where they are because they wanted to stay alive. And so would you if you were in their shoes, you dense fuck.
He can tell them apart through a shaded car window in the middle of traffic, who knows what this guy can do.
if you were in their shoes, explain to why this syrian, palestinian refugees has still no access to the work market or his children have access to school after 3years in our asylum while ukrainians get everything and for free?
you dense fuck.
I gently fuck you.
Hey,
I know you are getting downvoted and railed on pretty hard here, but please take this moment to reconsider some of your core beliefs and why you might feel the way you do.
Are people fleeing their home country to get rich?
They got rich by being crooks in the most corrupt country in Europe. They fled the country they ruined and turned into a shithole vassal state of the USA. These are the worst Ukraine has to offer.
I’m sorry you have so much hate for people you do not understand. Genuinely, it might be better to see people as just people, and not representatives of the worst parts of the governments they happened to be born under.
I understand them just fine. Nazis are not people.
the question is why do they get privileges over other refugees?! their country is not wiped off like lybia or syria , UA is quite intact, so they shouldn’t even fly away and if so, we should not provide them wildcard access, but follow the process.
they are refugees which lost everything, qualified and their country sent back to stone age: waiting in line for 3 to 5 years to just get access school, work market and co. They are at the image of their president, arrogant and ungrateful.
I’m just an european taxpayer pissed of!
They are at the image of their president, arrogant and ungrateful.
Look at Mr Worldwide over here who knows each and every Ukrainian.
I’m just an european taxpayer pissed of!
Sure.
sure
I won’t get any argument with a freaking german, you are part of the problem.
Is that the Ukrainians fault? They’re not the ones deciding how they’re being treated. They’re not the ones deciding how other refugees are treated either.
Why are you mad at them instead of the people making those decisions?
Is that the Ukrainians fault?
Yes, Zelensky the humorist dick pianist is killing his people by continuing the war. I know that’s a proxy war btw, ukrainians are collateral damages but us too.
NOTE, i don’t say UA should not defend themselve but they should have a true military or diplomatic leader, not a TV show presenter who is arrogant dick, by the way.
Why are you mad at them instead of the people making those decisions?
I am and I do but I also see how the so called refugees behave here and let’s be clear, those are not the most unfortunate. Again, i’m not against the idea, we have process and asylum for this. Nothing is justifying this irrational inflow. It looks like the same crazy bastards in charge of COVID.
What a hot and plainly idiotic take.
If you’re not shilling for the Russians, you’re certainly dense as fuck.
Probably a bot, they love to start their propaganda with “as an X I think that…”
i’m a taxpayer and I don’t give a fuck about non-europeand and moreover corrupted countries regarding refugees, they should be treated like the others, no exclusive rights or benefits, waiting in line.
it has nothing to do with being with one or the other.
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They might be getting Europeanness confused with EU membership - I wonder if they think Switzerland and Norway are part of Europe?
tankie, antisemit, biggot., please go ahead, use your low bar attacks.
funny, people thinks that the UE citizens are all ok with this shit…
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You don’t flee to get rich, you flee to stay alive. It’s no matter of money.
This has to be the dumbest take I’ve seen on Lemmy yet. Holy shit.
I… have some news for you.
Sadly, this is the sort of shit parroted amongst less tech savy populations in countries with Ukranian refugees. Mostly older parents, grandparents, older aunts and uncles and such from Eastern Europe (the first port of call usually for refugees - neighboring countries). Hence why you don’t see it that often around here. It’s present in the west of Europe, as well.
Also quite popular is ‘we can’t take care of our own [homeless people], but have you seen the amount of money that the government is pumping into them with their fancy cars?’
Oh and “I’m sick and tired of hearing ukranian everywhere I go. The playground is full of ukranian children and their parents that don’t speak {local language}!”
I suspect it’s russian propaganda, because nobody can be that stupid on their own, right?
Like sure, they have audi q8s. What were they supposed to do? Leave them there and walk towards new places? And if your daughter/son was fleeing invaders, what would you think of the asshats that point at them and say ‘go away with yer fancy car!’? I thought we were all on the same page of not wanting russia as a neighbour in the near future. Apparently not. Somehow people running away from actual rape and murder are inconveniencing them.
Your logic is that the rich Ukrainians that bribed their way out of the war should be allowed to enjoy their wealth while their countrymen die for their freedom, rather than sell their luxury cars to help the war effort? I think you’re a giant POS and would never want to know you IRL.
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No kidding.
I know it’s purely anecdotal but all the Ukrainians I’ve had in my town have been some of the most kindest and polite people I’ve had the pleasure of serving
Usually true of refugee populations. People in the West don’t realise what it takes to leave your country forever and build a new life from nothing somewhere else. These are strong people who value community and charity because they can’t take it for granted anymore.
As an european taxpayer who see Ukrainian in Jaguar and Audi Q7 driving aroung in my country
So you’re just jealous because they weren’t all beggars when the war broke out?
they are in a conflict, getting free supply of everything and they complain!
A lot of people are getting killed. They have every right to complain.
So where are you on the other refugees who get nothing and are from even close countries than Ukraine?
They get nothing because they’re not white, right?
So where are you on the other refugees who get nothing
We didn’t buy those cars for them if that’s what you’re trying to imply here. Being a refugee doesn’t mean that you leave your country without any possessions or money.
and are from even close countries than Ukraine? They get nothing because they’re not white, right?
I’m not aware of any bonus for Ukrainian refugees that would set them apart from others. But feel free to cough up some facts.
Their countryman are dying and pleasding for support, and they’re driving luxury cars. You don’t see anything wrong with that?
It is morally questionable, yes. But we are not talking about hundreds of thousands of refugees with luxury cars. In every conflict there are people with a golden parachute.
Seems like there are enough of them to make it apparent to many that they’ve absconded with wealth that should be used for the war effort.
i am not jealous, fucktard.
I am pissed of. There are real refugees out there with family getting shit while these suckers get a wild card.
Diday terb yur jerbs?
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No shit. Western training and equipment is not fit for purpose. Acting as a colonial cop by bombing with impunity ≠ attacking the strongest defensive lines of the 21st century. All their wunderwaffe just gets blown up by mines or drones.
Cannot wait to see how well this comment ages. All the Hexabear stuff is just comedy gold in the long run. Thank you for spending your life force creating it.
The people telling you Ukraine is winning are lying to you. They don’t believe it. Ukraine doesn’t have enough equipment or enough soldiers.
The Wests only hope is a Russian coup. They’ll force every Ukrainian they can to die to try and make this happen. You cheer this death march on from the sidelines.
If you actually give a shit, go fight for Ukraine. If you don’t have the courage to die with them, then you have no right to advocate for continuing this war.
How is the ghost of Kiev doing
Thousands of dead for no good reason is “comedy gold”?
Yeah, Ukraine is really going to retake those two oblasts and Crimea. It will all be worth all the hundreds of thousands of lives thrown into the meatgrinder instead of honoring two ceasefires or negotiating a new ceasefire when that happens.
Real Hitler in his bunker energy, except instead of Hitler youre a nazi in some other country not directly involved coping about how Germany can still win.
Cannot wait to see how well this comment ages. All the Hexabear stuff is just comedy gold in the long run. Thank you for spending your life force creating it.
Can’t imagine thinking commentary, wrong or right, about brutal trench warfare, could be comedy gold.
What a coincidence, “shut up” is what I tell people who can’t stop talking about Ukraine and Russia.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Nearly three months since launching a much vaunted counteroffensive using hundreds of billions of dollars of Western military equipment, Ukraine has recaptured more than a dozen villages but has yet to penetrate Russia’s main defences.
Stories in the New York Times, Washington Post and other news organisations last week quoted U.S. and other Western officials as suggesting the offensive was falling short of expectations.
Ukrainian commanders say they are moving slowly on purpose, degrading Russia’s defences and logistics to reduce losses when they finally attack at full strength.
After months of fighting their way through heavy minefields, Ukraine’s forces have finally reached the main Russian defensive lines in recent days, south of the village of Robotyne which they captured last week in Western Zaporizhzhia region.
They are now advancing in an area between the nearby villages of Novopokropivka and Verbove, looking for a way around the anti-tank ditches and rows of concrete pyramids known as dragon’s teeth that form Russia’s main fortifications visible from space.
Russia is also facing the aftermath of a mutiny two months ago by Wagner, a private army that had formed the main attack force of its own winter offensive earlier this year.
The original article contains 801 words, the summary contains 197 words. Saved 75%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
Is only war, why you hef to be mad?
Cold weather begins to hit in October. It’s not just “slow”, it’s over.
Stop, just please, stop.
Good for Kyiv. Those armchair generals should shut up and fight if they think things are going slowly.
Not the correct response to say to those who hold the purse strings to your war chest. Especially one particular country whose political tide can turn and drown you.
There sure are a lot of Lemmy bro-gaders and NATO shillbots in this thread. That’s the only explanation for people disagreeing with me.
