No shit. Western training and equipment is not fit for purpose. Acting as a colonial cop by bombing with impunity ≠ attacking the strongest defensive lines of the 21st century. All their wunderwaffe just gets blown up by mines or drones.
Cannot wait to see how well this comment ages. All the Hexabear stuff is just comedy gold in the long run. Thank you for spending your life force creating it.
The people telling you Ukraine is winning are lying to you. They don’t believe it. Ukraine doesn’t have enough equipment or enough soldiers.
The Wests only hope is a Russian coup. They’ll force every Ukrainian they can to die to try and make this happen. You cheer this death march on from the sidelines.
If you actually give a shit, go fight for Ukraine. If you don’t have the courage to die with them, then you have no right to advocate for continuing this war.
Lmao 4 months in and this comment already didn’t age very well, with even outlets like NYT starting to report the truth about Ukraine’s offensives going terribly.
Also, I wouldn’t call thousands of people dying for meaningless western imperialism/NATO expansion “comedy gold”
Thousands of dead for no good reason is “comedy gold”?
Embarrassing
Cannot wait to see how well this comment ages. All the Hexabear stuff is just comedy gold in the long run. Thank you for spending your life force creating it.
Can’t imagine thinking commentary, wrong or right, about brutal trench warfare, could be comedy gold.
Pretty telling that the new line being fed to NATO worshippers is ‘don’t say anything critical about our objective failures’. This is, ironically, the same message Goebbels pushed when failures began to mount on the eastern front after Stalingrad and then Kursk. As the Soviet steamroller continued to Berlin, the line in the media was ‘it is unpatriotic to say we are losing’. And then they lost.
As an european taxpayer who see Ukrainian in Jaguar and Audi Q7 driving aroung in my country, I would say to these pain in the ass to shut up! Never seen such an arrogant people, they are in a conflict, getting free supply of everything and they complain!
You don’t flee to get rich, you flee to stay alive. It’s no matter of money.
As an european taxpayer who see Ukrainian in Jaguar and Audi Q7 driving aroung in my country
So you’re just jealous because they weren’t all beggars when the war broke out?
they are in a conflict, getting free supply of everything and they complain!
A lot of people are getting killed. They have every right to complain.
i am not jealous, fucktard.
I am pissed of. There are real refugees out there with family getting shit while these suckers get a wild card.
So where are you on the other refugees who get nothing and are from even close countries than Ukraine?
They get nothing because they’re not white, right?
So where are you on the other refugees who get nothing
We didn’t buy those cars for them if that’s what you’re trying to imply here. Being a refugee doesn’t mean that you leave your country without any possessions or money.
and are from even close countries than Ukraine? They get nothing because they’re not white, right?
I’m not aware of any bonus for Ukrainian refugees that would set them apart from others. But feel free to cough up some facts.
Their countryman are dying and pleasding for support, and they’re driving luxury cars. You don’t see anything wrong with that?
It is morally questionable, yes. But we are not talking about hundreds of thousands of refugees with luxury cars. In every conflict there are people with a golden parachute.
Seems like there are enough of them to make it apparent to many that they’ve absconded with wealth that should be used for the war effort.
This has to be the dumbest take I’ve seen on Lemmy yet. Holy shit.
No kidding.
I know it’s purely anecdotal but all the Ukrainians I’ve had in my town have been some of the most kindest and polite people I’ve had the pleasure of serving
Usually true of refugee populations. People in the West don’t realise what it takes to leave your country forever and build a new life from nothing somewhere else. These are strong people who value community and charity because they can’t take it for granted anymore.
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I… have some news for you.
Sadly, this is the sort of shit parroted amongst less tech savy populations in countries with Ukranian refugees. Mostly older parents, grandparents, older aunts and uncles and such from Eastern Europe (the first port of call usually for refugees - neighboring countries). Hence why you don’t see it that often around here. It’s present in the west of Europe, as well.
Also quite popular is ‘we can’t take care of our own [homeless people], but have you seen the amount of money that the government is pumping into them with their fancy cars?’
Oh and “I’m sick and tired of hearing ukranian everywhere I go. The playground is full of ukranian children and their parents that don’t speak {local language}!”
I suspect it’s russian propaganda, because nobody can be that stupid on their own, right?
Like sure, they have audi q8s. What were they supposed to do? Leave them there and walk towards new places? And if your daughter/son was fleeing invaders, what would you think of the asshats that point at them and say ‘go away with yer fancy car!’? I thought we were all on the same page of not wanting russia as a neighbour in the near future. Apparently not. Somehow people running away from actual rape and murder are inconveniencing them.
Your logic is that the rich Ukrainians that bribed their way out of the war should be allowed to enjoy their wealth while their countrymen die for their freedom, rather than sell their luxury cars to help the war effort? I think you’re a giant POS and would never want to know you IRL.
Diday terb yur jerbs?
Hey,
I know you are getting downvoted and railed on pretty hard here, but please take this moment to reconsider some of your core beliefs and why you might feel the way you do.
Are people fleeing their home country to get rich?
They got rich by being crooks in the most corrupt country in Europe. They fled the country they ruined and turned into a shithole vassal state of the USA. These are the worst Ukraine has to offer.
I’m sorry you have so much hate for people you do not understand. Genuinely, it might be better to see people as just people, and not representatives of the worst parts of the governments they happened to be born under.
I understand them just fine. Nazis are not people.
the question is why do they get privileges over other refugees?! their country is not wiped off like lybia or syria , UA is quite intact, so they shouldn’t even fly away and if so, we should not provide them wildcard access, but follow the process.
they are refugees which lost everything, qualified and their country sent back to stone age: waiting in line for 3 to 5 years to just get access school, work market and co. They are at the image of their president, arrogant and ungrateful.
I’m just an european taxpayer pissed of!
They are at the image of their president, arrogant and ungrateful.
Look at Mr Worldwide over here who knows each and every Ukrainian.
I’m just an european taxpayer pissed of!
Sure.
sure
I won’t get any argument with a freaking german, you are part of the problem.
Is that the Ukrainians fault? They’re not the ones deciding how they’re being treated. They’re not the ones deciding how other refugees are treated either.
Why are you mad at them instead of the people making those decisions?
Is that the Ukrainians fault?
Yes, Zelensky the humorist dick pianist is killing his people by continuing the war. I know that’s a proxy war btw, ukrainians are collateral damages but us too.
NOTE, i don’t say UA should not defend themselve but they should have a true military or diplomatic leader, not a TV show presenter who is arrogant dick, by the way.
Why are you mad at them instead of the people making those decisions?
I am and I do but I also see how the so called refugees behave here and let’s be clear, those are not the most unfortunate. Again, i’m not against the idea, we have process and asylum for this. Nothing is justifying this irrational inflow. It looks like the same crazy bastards in charge of COVID.
Those are the ones you see. How do you tell a Ukrainian from your own countrymen on a bus? They’re not all rich, they’re not all assholes, they are where they are because they wanted to stay alive. And so would you if you were in their shoes, you dense fuck.
He can tell them apart through a shaded car window in the middle of traffic, who knows what this guy can do.
if you were in their shoes, explain to why this syrian, palestinian refugees has still no access to the work market or his children have access to school after 3years in our asylum while ukrainians get everything and for free?
you dense fuck.
I gently fuck you.
What a hot and plainly idiotic take.
If you’re not shilling for the Russians, you’re certainly dense as fuck.
i’m a taxpayer and I don’t give a fuck about non-europeand and moreover corrupted countries regarding refugees, they should be treated like the others, no exclusive rights or benefits, waiting in line.
it has nothing to do with being with one or the other.
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tankie, antisemit, biggot., please go ahead, use your low bar attacks.
funny, people thinks that the UE citizens are all ok with this shit…
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They might be getting Europeanness confused with EU membership - I wonder if they think Switzerland and Norway are part of Europe?
Probably a bot, they love to start their propaganda with “as an X I think that…”
doing my duty by brigading (commenting on the number 1 post on all)
The comment threads here are weird. Who, in their right mind, would ever support a country like Russia? It’s mind blowing.
Not the correct response to say to those who hold the purse strings to your war chest. Especially one particular country whose political tide can turn and drown you.
It’s like every time there’s a war everybody forgets how fucking long they take. WW2 took six years. The Vietnam War took almost 20 years, same with the Afghanistan War. Anybody expecting anything solid within the next couple years is delusional. Ukraine is in it for the long haul.
And Russia expected their little venture to be done in days.
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It was never supposed to turn into a real war. They wanted to assassinate Zelenskyy put some Russian plant in as president, annex some more land and call it a night. Obviously Zelenskyy survived and the rest is history.
“No plan survives first contact with the enemy”
“Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth."
We can hope Putin dies from being an old fuck and Russia gives up
The US is on its last legs though. It badly needed this win. The US falls before Putin dies.
What drugs are you on and where can I get some?
Clearly hasn’t compared the US and Chinese economic data
Lol literally every single line of that post is absolutely nonsense.
The US is on its last legs though.
Lol in what universe? By way metric is the most powerful nation in the world limping along?
It badly needed this win.
If we badly needed a win we wouldn’t be sending 30+ year-old surplus gear. Ukraine would have F-35s instead of the air force trying to pawn off A-10s because we’re retiring them and don’t want to break them down.
The US falls before Putin dies.
Unless he’s a Highlander there’s no fucking chance.
I always take a peek at the comment history when I see things like this. And this guy basically just woke up to say things like this in one specific thread.
I’m no longer a mod of anything these days, but if I had a mod-hammer I’d send you into the next galaxy.
“We’ll fight til the last Ukrainian!” - libs
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*support
There’s a lot of angry liberals replying to your post, so I thought I’d link a great video on how/why the war in Ukraine came to be:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LL4eNy4FCs8&si=gaMRzFwo5JP5RzeD
This channel is leftist but they aren’t communists, as far as I know.
Tldw: This war was completely avoidable. Had the US/NATO kept its promise to not expand eastward none of this would have happened. Even Biden said that 25 years ago. Americans groomed certain Ukrainians for political office, and prevented others from running. There was an opportunity to end the war last year on somewhat decent terms for Ukraine, but Boris Johnson rushed in to stop it from happening, promising massive support. But war exhaustion has caught up and Ukraine is running out of people, and western leaders are already starting to call for the end of the war — except this time it will be on russias terms and Ukraine is going to get fucked. Big western capitalists have had their fingers in this pie because there’s a lot of money to be made in the country. That’s it.
Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that Putins invasion was a horrific, imperialist move. Any commie you see protesting the war isn’t doing it because they support Russia (Russia is a capitalist country), they’re doing it because they don’t support NATO. We are often the makers of our own enemies here in the west. Viet Cong, Taliban, ISIS, and Russia were all created or shaped by western (mainly US) policies.
Seems like to you being a lib means not falling for badly researched, one-sided videos?
You didn’t watch the video did you? They don’t mention anything that
All you liberals give cons a lot of shit for being bloodthirsty war hawks but you froth at the mouth at the thought of war too. You’ll look at situations like what’s happening in Gabon and Niger, say “wow the French are fucked and they kind of deserve it for what they did to those countries”, and then develop an amazing blind spot for western imperialism in Eastern Europe.
Obviously this war shouldn’t have happened. Obviously Putin is an asshole. Obviously what’s happening in Ukraine needs to be stopped.
We (the west) made our own monster though.
All you liberals give cons
All this my team, your team rhetoric…
Honest question, but how many times a day do you think about events and try to fit them into one of these two categories? At what point do you start using these terms interchangeably for good and evil?
These days, I try to skip posts from people who crossed that line. Left, right or centre. If someone has limited their mental capacity to binary decisions, it’s not worth arguing with them, because the answer to everything will always be “my team”.
Judging by the tl;dw that video is hitting bingo on this one.
You should probably judge by the video, you moron
Thanks I’ll watch it when I’m home from work. Right now it looks like it’s just some guy talking, whereas the video I linked only talks about things that are public knowledge. I haven’t watched yours yet though.
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Libs gonna lib man…
“We shouldn’t help the rape victim and they should hope that it’s over quickly. Also, it’s actually not rape, it’s a special sexual operation and they deserved it.” - Tankies
Funny how if you’re against another endless war you’re a tankie and support Putin…
I’m neither a tankie nor I support Putin. But I also don’t support NATO and the Empire.
But just as a note, most “tankies” don’t support Russia and know Putin is a conservative capitalist. I mean he is the direct result of the dismantling of the USSR by internal revisionists (tsarists and capitalists) and the CIA.
But again, it’s the Iraq war all over again. And you libs are doing THE SAME THING. It’s hilarious.
It is 2023. I am being called a tankie for opposing the escalation of a needless slaughter engineered by the western military industial complex.
It is 2003. I am being called a Saddam lover for opposing the escalation of a needless slaughter engineered by the western military industial complex.
It is 1969. I am being called a commie and probably also racial slurs for opposing the escalation of a needless slaughter engineered by the western military industial complex.
Commie
What are you, 80 years old? The modern term is “tankie”.
Alexa play “Story of my life” by One Direction.
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Funny how pacifists are the first to cry when someone hits them.
How is that funny
Let’s not ruin pacifism, self-defense can be a form of it
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Pacifism can be both, ending all wars and defending against fascism
pacifism /ˈpasɪfɪz(ə)m/ noun the belief that war and violence are unjustifiable and that all disputes should be settled by peaceful means.
it’s the Iraq war all over again
Oh so you’re against the invasion after all?
More than you guys it seems. You’re all salivating at the idea of Russians dying and this war never ending.
I’d be happy if Russia would simply send its soldiers home.
Me too. We take Putin out, return the USSR, and then we dismantle the far-right apparatus in Ukraine as well. We close all US military bases and shut down NATO.
We then impose on the US strict international laws to never have a military, to interfere or invade another nation again, or it’s dismantled and given to all 3rd world countries it fucked over the past 100 years.
Putin could stop this war and thus Russians from dying at any minute. He’d just have to give up on imperialism.
„Libs“ we’re against the Iraq war. It divided the US population and the whole western world. Never listened to American Idiot?
I’m confused. You want us to protest against one sort of imperialism, but not the other?
I think you’re remembering incorrectly bro… After 9/11, if you didn’t support invading any vaguely Muslim country you were a traitor. Fucking libs on TV were cheering for killing Saddam and invading Iraq, dismissing any attempts to question why would that even make sense as weak-spined traitorous behaviour.
Also, how can you say that while you support a never ending war in Ukraine?
Is Russia imperialist? Yes. Is this invasion a tragedy? Yes. Did it happen, and will continue to happen for a long time in good part because of the US? Fuck yes as well.
I don’t support Russia invading or winning the war. I don’t support NATO breaking its promises and meddling in Eastern Europe propping up Nazis.
The US Empire is directly responsible for Putin, in the first place. And it’s now directly responsible for the extreme right in Ukraine.
What anyone who’s actually against war wants is for the US Empire to fall and NATO to be dismantled. For Putin to fall and the Russian people to have freedom again. For the Nazis in Ukraine to not have power anymore.
If you support sending billions in weapons to Ukraine (as fucking debt, Ukraine will be in debt to the US and Europe for centuries…), if you support war games in South Korea, Taiwan, if you complained when Biden left Afghanistan… you’re literally a war hawk.
You blathering fool. I’m not your bro and never will be.
When you see a school bully who fights a smaller kid who doesn’t want to give up his lunch money, what do you do? You are the kind of person shouting at the victim to comply to avoid any further bloodshed, right? You’re fucking filth. I think I even watched a Star Trek episode about your fucking kind, lol.
Just for your information: NATO has nothing to do with this. Other than being a scapegoat of course. Quite the opposite, if Ukraine was part of NATO, this war would never happened. Why do you think Poland and the Chech Rebublic were so eager to join it? NATO is a defense pact. But I know, people like you don’t care. NATO is the big boogie man you need to justify your political views.
And no, I don’t remember incorrectly. The Bush regime was republican. They faked evidence to attack Iraq. The were huge demonstations and turmoil Google the Dixie Chicks, listen to American Idiot. I’m not american. I’m german. We were one of the countries who were part of a so called “axis of evil” because we didn’t agree with the war. Shut the fuck up.
I was always pretty left leaning. Never liked US-Imperialism since I got 16 and realised Tom Clancy Novels were pretty one-sided. But if supporting ukraine means I’m a Hawk, so be it. All I know is, I don’t want to be on your side!
We were one of the countries who were part of a so called “axis of evil”
Slight correction, no, they didn’t go that far. We’re “Old Europe”.
It was also when they renamed French Fries to Freedom Fries to protest the French being, well, French, as if the French wouldn’t already be constantly doing that. (Meanwhile Belgium was hoping someone would notice them).
Your comment truly reeks of “I’m pretty left leaning” lmao
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There’s a load of things I could say, but they would all be pointless, so I’m going to say this. It would be less depressing if you were actually being paid by the Russians.
EDIT: Which, you know, is not actually out of the question.
“Being against war means you are our enemy!” - the “pacifist”, “anti-war”, liberal.
And shelling civilians in the Donbas is presumably the equivalent of putting on a nice dress in your metaphor?
Make extremely inappropriate and wrong rape comparison ⇒ Accuse anyone who disagrees of being a rape apologist ⇒ FUCK TANKIES!
Extremely normal and sound logic there, definitely not just vibe-based emotional manipulation.
Ask Prigozhin whether that shelling actually happened. You swallowed Russian propaganda hook, line, and sinker.
OHCHR estimates that between mid-April 2014 and 31 May 2016, at least 9,404 people, of which up to 2,000 are civilians, have been killed as a result of the conflict. The vast majority of civilian casualties, recorded on the territories controlled by the Government of Ukraine and on those controlled by armed groups, were caused by the indiscriminate shelling of residential areas, in violation of the international humanitarian law principle of distinction.
Na better believe Prigozhin, that guy never told a lie or said anything that was totally wrong.
What do you believe your source to say, exactly? That Ukraine shelled indiscriminately? If so, you should read it again.
Yes it says that exactly, unless you think the “armed groups” shelled themselves.
That’s not strictly true. On the short end, there was the six-day war. On the long end, there was the hundred years’ war.
Putin was clearly aiming for the short option, but then I suppose most belligerents usually are.
Dude took the low end and said “fuck that we’ll do it twice as fast.”
The good news is I don’t think Russia can continue to sustain these kind of losses for 199 more years.
Neither can Ukraine…
I’d actually love to see a graph that shows the distribution of lengths of various wars
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The Anglo-Zanzibar War lasted less than an hour
‘Gunboat diplomacy’ isn’t very diplomatic.
That’s because it isn’t really about any particular military objective, it’s about creating business for the war industry.
Frontlines were actually moving, especially in the Eastern Front. Not so much in China and the Pacific, though.
You know what? I never thought I’d say this but I’m with Ukraine on this one.
This whole counter offensive insanity is so militarily nonsensical that it had to have been mounted to please the West with a “win” so that they’d stay in the war. Real Chiang Kai Shek committing the best of the KMT army to Shanghai to impress the Westerners energy.
The West is standing on the sidelines, supplying just enough equipment to keep the embers going and judging the ordinary Ukrainians going to their deaths by their hundreds.
Fuck the clowns in charge in Kiev and fuck the Nazi militias obviously. But at this point the men being sent to the front are old men and boys dragged off the street against their will. Sending them to die to appease the West is fucking sick.
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Whoa! What news!
There sure are a lot of Lemmy bro-gaders and NATO shillbots in this thread. That’s the only explanation for people disagreeing with me.
Cold weather begins to hit in October. It’s not just “slow”, it’s over.
Thus the highest form of generalship is to balk the enemy’s plans; the next best is to prevent the junction of the enemy’s forces; the next in order is to attack the enemy’s army in the field; and the worst policy of all is to besiege walled cities.
IMO these critics are used to air superiority which Ukraine doesn’t have.
“The Ghost of Kyiv is still training with the F-35 you sent us,” President Zelenskyy told a Pentagon advisor who criticized the counter-offensive. “This is your people’s job. Either shut up, or provide better instructors.”
Wow. Zelensky isn’t playing. He means business
I wish I knew what the shortfalls are in the training program.
