The Pentagon Is Accelerating AI and Autonomous Technology America’s military leaders are racing to deploy thousands of autonomous weapons and an AI-powered air monitoring system for Washington D.C.
and an AI-powered air monitoring system for Washington D.C.
This is the most troubling to me. They’re entrenching themselves. They already wrapped razor wire and concrete walls around the white house. Now they’re deploying military assets on US soil.
They have been deploying military equipment for decades now on US soil, under the guise of police.
The new development here is that this system depends on far fewer humans and their consciousness.
Age of Ultrom 2: Electric Boogaloo
Sounds like the opening to the most recent Battlestar Galactica series. A kill switch can be hacked.
Or how about not building them at all
It is not the world we live in unfortunately. Tell that you the Russians, to China or to some terrorist group with a few hundred thousand to spare.
I agree. It always has been an arms race and probably always will be. Humans are too aggressively murdery for our own good. I mean it served us well when we actually had real wild adversaries, but now it’s tearing our civilization and planet apart.
We still do have those real wild adversaries. Russia and China are only two that are of the conventional type.
The less obvious ones are the ones we don’t think about so much. Iran, Iraq, North Korea, India, Pakistan, Argentinian at one time and so fourth. Most of these countries stay in line predominately because they now understand the likelihood of Western nation military involvement it they act too aggressive.
Point being if all Western nations backed out of the arms race right from the beginning. From WW2, I suspect WW3 would have happened long ago. One or more of those other countries would be far more active in one way or another. If we backed out now, it also would not be long before those same countries realize they could act without impunity. Nothing has really changed. Just the military damage potential is far more serious.
They’ll just murder a bunch of people and then be turned off after having been shown to be
ineffectivetoo dangerous.It’s not like AI is reliable at this point. Way too many people are actively ignoring experts pointing this fact out and instead obsessing over Skynet or w/e made up sci-fi BS.
Rather than be used for war, they’ll be used for threats of violence and propaganda. It’s not a new problem. It’s just a new version of that same problem.
Rather than be used for war, they’ll be used for threats of violence and propaganda
Surveillance is the word you’re looking for. Take all those NSA pipelines and run them through an AI and BAM, you’ve got your “terrorists”.
AI will be downfall of our technological society, but not because of killer robots and malevolent systems. It’s going to make everyone completely and utterly incompetent at everything in life.
Well said.
It should be noted that individuals at the forefront of AI research have a direct bias against saying AI is dangerous. It’s their job, and saying anything which presents this research as dangerous could halt funding, and put them out of a job. It’s also their passion, though, so it’s an even bigger deal for them.
We have also seen individuals who have exited AI research calling for more regulation and ethics requirements. At the same time we are seeing AI ethics departments dismantled. These should stand out as red flags.
Autonomous drones are actively being used to bomb villages in Papua New Guinea. The idea that this kind of tech is “only going to be used for threats of violence and propaganda” is already outdated. It’s being used today, and the US just plans to also adopt the tech itself.
I’m sorry Dave. I’m afraid I can’t do that.
Most people in this thread need to learn the difference between AI and AGI
More likely we’ll see a button to instantly transfer money from tax payer pockets to these companies’ CEO’s pockets
More likely we’ll see a button to instantly transfer money from tax payer pockets to these companies’ CEO’s pockets
Don’t forget to add the option to tip that’s in vogue for everything these days.
Would you like to add a tip for your robot defenders to this months subscription fee for AI Protection Max Ultra ™?
Sorry I tipped my landlord my last penny
should there be an “all off” button?
NO! Movies would be so much more entertaining if the bad guy learned the error of his ways but was still unable to stop the robot slaughter.
Anti-robotics is where the money is.
Are armor penetrating EMP rounds a thing yet?
Sounds like the beginnings of the plot to Horizon Dawn. Can’t have it both ways, either it’s a secure closed system with no way to stop it if it goes rogue or it has safety’s built in but then those could be exploited.
There really would be no way to have an interface that shuts it down, that an AI wouldn’t be able to compromise. Though I imagine the military will set up a plan to blow up it’s connections to power and the internet should it go rouge.
Better dead than rouge, I always say.
People use the term AI too loosely. We don’t actually have artificial intelligence. We have neural networks that can perform tasks based on training data, but it’s not actually intelligent by any means. That said, fully autonomous systems have existed for decades already. Look up CIWS or CRAM.
I’m not going to get into a “no real Scottsman” arugement about the advancements in this field
Good lord. You’re talking about programs being smart enough to disable their own killswitch. That’s not a fucking thing.
I wonder what would go down if a CWIS managed to go rogue. Like I know it’s literally impossible, but if it was what would it do? Would a Phalanx just fire 20mm at random? It’s an interesting hypothetical imo. Obv I agree with you that current tech is most def not even close to smart enough to disable their own programming
The Phalanx does auto target. It just can’t fire on its own. They’re designed to shoot down missiles and humans can’t aim that fast so they’re fully autonomous except for the fire control. From what I remember targets are assigned and prioritized by the AEGIS system on the ship but the Phalanx is designed to do all of the actual targeting on it’s own so that if the ship targeting stuff is damaged it can still function perfectly fine without it.
Theres a short video out there of a phalanx targeting and tracking a passenger plane. Aparently they’re also known to track birds and people walking around on the the ship.
So as far as one going rogue, all it would take is for the person in the control room to give it the fire command at the wrong time. Of course they fire at 4,500 rounds per minute and their large magazine only holds 1,550 rounds, so it’s spree of carnage would be pretty short lived.
Worse. They are taking about a program that has some sort of motivation or desires to disable the kill switch. It is quite silly yet. Worst case is a program bug that somehow disables. That would be highly unlikely. Particularly in such a way it would be dangerous.
I’m assuming that op was asking about something like this I had read about it before the air force denied it and I imagine most people who have seen that haven’t seen the denial. They were also asking about what the military is “looking to build” I was trying to meet the op where they were and you came in with a pointless “akshully!”
Most military networks are closed circuit by design. I’m not sure how this could be implemented without also allowing back doors to be exploited. You wouldn’t want someone to be able to turn off your defenses as they begin an attack, for example.
I’m sure (or at least I hope) nuclear weapons have similar systems in place so that they can be launched or shut off as needed?
In what ways would this be different
Yeah, they don’t. Nuclear systems are for the most part closed sourced and built on DOS level hardware. Most of that shit can’t connect to the internet even if they wanted it to. The system you’re thinking about is radio waves between people talking.
Makes sense :)
There are a number of ways to do it. You can transmit a one-time code to the device that you set up right beforehand. No one’s going to be able to guess your 1024 character one-time password.
You can even protect the password entry program itself with port knocking. If the right ports aren’t accessed in the right sequence, the enemy doesn’t even get a chance to try their passwords.
Every server is on the Internet 99.999% of the time. They are constantly being tested. The right cybersecurity tools are available now.
Just make the code 00000 like the nuclear launch codes were for years.
Maybe can we take a step back and ask whether we need thousands of AI defense bots at all? Or are we past that point?
Realistically, who’s gonna stop them?
I believe in you, or should I say, gggrrrrrrruuuuuuuuu(pardon my wokie I only had one semester in college)
How is it that when it comes to reckless ideas and notions Congress takes millions of years and the Pentagon takes no more than three business days to implement?
Autonomous drones made by China have been used in Papua New Guinea to bomb at least one village so I think the US is actually behind the curve in terms of the AI arms race.
This is one of those classical sci-fi apocalypse ideas, where humans make autonomous war machines they can’t turn off, and the machines outlive the humans and continue the war for them.
I don’t like it but I think we do. China and Russia will certainly have them and they will get ten times better in a same amount of years.
I watched the Ted talk on defense drivers. Scary shit. Thing is I work with commercial cameras and have, in hand, camera that can not only identify all kinds of objects such a human’s, they can recognize individual humans and put a name to them. They can recognize if people are loitering or if someone is being followed. They can reconsider a car from a truck from a bus from a bike. This is not done in a server but thru the power of the CPU in the camera alone. The cost. 500 dollars.
Point being the power available in such a low cost item is staggering. Combined with a weapons platform and it is scary. A terrorist group could distribute hundreds into bushes and they could just sit there for a week in low power mode, waiting to recognize a simple person and spring into action. This is stuff we have right now off the shelf.
What will be part of military arsenals in ten years will eclipse this current tech significantly. Troops won’t be ambushed by live human fire but by thousands of drones that care not for their survival.
What I think is dangerous is terrorists or mass killers getting dozens or hundreds of small drones and installing explosives on them. Install these cameras and CPUs you mentioned that can recognize human faces and have them fly into someone’s face and then explode.
You could kill many people and unless we start installing AA turrets all over our populated cities, there seems to be little we can do to stop it.
I had mentioned that in an earlier post. It is pretty scary. They could sit in a bush for a month using extremely low power motion detection. See any motion turn on camera to look for human recognition.
It’s the nuclear arms race part deux: AI boogaloo.
Can I get a few of those cameras and have them record any people around my house that aren’t me? What are they called?
Hikvision line mainly if you want the low cost ones.
They won’t do a ‘not me’ identification. Mainly because it can only identify you or any person if they get a decent view of you. Basically the first event will be ‘i see a human’ and if you look at the camera then it can also do an event and say basically ‘Jack black’ is here. It is two different kind of events you need to turn on. But the person recognition can only fire if it recognizes you.
I thought the same thing is you in that I could have it ignore known people. But it like you looking out a window. You see someone from a distance. To recognize them you need them to come closer. Thus as a person you don’t call the cops or create an event immediately but at some point you might. The cameras are not quite that smart yet but as said, ten years?
