cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/1977881
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Banksy isn’t happy with Guess’ latest collaboration.
The legendary anonymous graffiti artist had a directive for his followers on Friday, encouraging them—possibly tongue in cheek, possibly not—to visit the Regent Street Guess store in London and steal the brand’s new collection that features his artwork.
“Attention all shoplifters. Please go to Guess on Regents Street. They’ve helped themselves to my artwork without asking, how can it be wrong for you to do the same to their clothes?”
Based. Shoplift everywhere else too, especially the supermarkets.
Wild how the Nazis out themselves over fucking BANKSY
So if you don’t agree with a multinational clothing brand using someone’s art for profit without their permission you’re a nazi now?
No but super disingenuous questions asked in that tone regurgitated in defense of capitalist nonsense sure are a red flag.
How is what I said a red flag? Are you following the correct thread? I didn’t defend Guess.
What a fucking idiot. He / she could have sued them if he felt aggrieved instead of encouraging people to commit crimes.
Yet companies stealing people’s art and selling it for a profit doesn’t seem to bother you.
Did I say that? Or did you just jump to that conclusion?
You’re more upset by shoplifting than by the unethical theft and exploitation of someone else’s artistic work, so yes, you did say that.
You seem to be making things up again. 😥
I don’t like people breaking the law, and I said I don’t think it was a good idea to encourage law breaking. Where in that did you take it to understand that I support theft or exploitation of artwork?
You’re still crying about people shoplifting yet you still haven’t condemned the artwork theft. Reading between the lines and calling out your bullshit isn’t “making things up,” buddy.
When stealing someone’s artwork is completely legal but fighting back against it by stealing from them is against the law, maybe “the law” is just a bunch of worthless bourgeoisie bullshit. Stealing from thieves is objectively cool. Die mad about it.
Are you an actual 14 year old? Jesus who hurt you this badly?
Ok here you go, I have no opposition to condemning artwork theft. It is wrong and should not happen. Happy? Oh shit where’s your reading between the lines now?
At the same time encouraging others to break the law and steal is also wrong and a shit head move to do.
maybe “the law” is just a bunch of worthless bourgeoisie bullshit. Stealing from thieves is objectively cool.
Dios mío 🤣🥸
Are you an actual 14 year old? Jesus who hurt you this badly?
“Everyone who disagrees with me must be a child. There’s no way anyone could possibly disagree with me about anything.” Damn what an original, well-reasoned argument.
Ok here you go, I have no opposition to condemning artwork theft. It is wrong and should not happen.
Finally dragged out of you after two posts of you crying hard about something objectively less worse.
At the same time encouraging others to break the law and steal is also wrong and a shit head move to do.
At the same time only one of those things you shit your pants about.
Dios mío 🤣🥸
Take this bullshit back to reddit. Engage with the argument or fuck off.
I don’t like people breaking the law
I do when it’s directed at the bougie fucks. Not so much the other way around.
Breaking the law is actually cool and good. Ideally, I think people should break the law more often, not less often.
He / she
Why do you assume Banksy is one of those? We don’t know who Banksy is.
Robert Del Naja (of Massive Attack) is Banksy. You’re welcome.
I don’t think Banksy wants me to know that info, so I’m going to take special care to not remember that info.
Just like I have no idea who dril is.
Grandma, what are these stencils for?!
Fucking hell I hope this comment is a joke
If we don’t know who a person is, how can we know what pronouns to use for that person?
I meant more the usage of “one of those” to describe a person
I used “one of those” to refer to two different pronouns. We don’t know Bansky uses either and there are other options.
Oh fair, I read it as being very demeaning!
Well thanks for looking out. (serious)
True true. Maybe they are a multinational conglomerate? 😅
But where’s the fun in that?
Sure! If you’re a clown 🤡.
Take a joke you fuckin geezer
How rude
Spits out tea, powdered wig falls off
I’m down to clown
Last time he had to take it all the way to the appeal court to get them to agree he had the rights to his own images.
I can understand not wanting to do that again.
And he still lost trademarks on at least 4 of his major pieces because he wanted to stay anonymous
I definitely wouldn’t get a Flipper Zero for the purposes of theft. Allegedly it is a legal device that can be re-programmed to disable security tags and open charging ports on Tesla vehicles, which is wrong.
Definitely do not purchase a Flipper Zero and utilize it for theft or disruption. Its purposes are to open garage doors.
You don’t need to reprogram the Flipper Zero for Tesla charging ports. Just get the Sub-Ghz signal from the internet and store it on the Flipper.
I definitely never done it myself, of course.
Will he pay their legal fees if someone gets arrested?
No, but Elon Musk will promise to pay your legal fees then double back on it.
Elon Musk will give your info to the Saudi government
Now that’s just silly. You should be stealing from any store that has a “collection” regardless of whether they used his art.
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Banksy believing in intellectual property 🏴☠️
Did he ever say anything else about it? You can get banksy prints and other stuff featuring his artwork everywhere and they never seemed much bothered about it, maybe he just dislikes Guess
I don’t know, I was just making a joke
Is it not copyright infringement?
Also I don’t believe in either but will happily use both to fuck over rich corpo pigs from commercialising my work without permission or compensation.
Copyright infringement is the jaywalking of ideas
That’s a pretty great analogy.
No since Banksy doesn’t have any copyrights. Being anonymous has it downysides…
So as far as I know he has neither copyright nor trademark to use. Not a fan of big companies either but Banksy is far away from impoverished.
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His celebrity status depends on hyperbolic rhetoric like this. If he had handled it the way normal people do, through courts, he’d be damaging his mystique. The sheep that think he’s the bee’s knees slurp this bullshit up.
If he had handled it the way normal people do, through courts
There is more to it than that. He’s been blocked from claiming the copyright on his own work since he’d need to dox himself. He can’t claim the copyright as ‘Banksy’ since it’s not his real name.
Let people enjoy things
Banksy is a complete fucking poser, true, but also shoplifting is good.
It’s a joke.
So? Is he wrong?
Also, in his book Wall and Piece, Banksy said “copyright is for losers” and the public was morally and legally free to reproduce and use any public copyright works.
I mean, according to his own words, I guess?
Corporations don’t deserve that right. His stance on this is directly related to corporate abuse of the system. Nuance is difficult though so I understand why it’s easy for you to feel like you made a good point.
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Yes.
I can’t say legally since I’m not a lawyer but I don’t think much of people who suggest you do (crime) because (crime) occurred. I consider it a low-end mentality to view that as a resolution or justice of some kind.
I don’t think that it’s a resolution or justice, I think it’s funny ^^
Not as funny as a person adept at using stencils to paint on other people’s property getting upset someone used his stenciling on their property, IMHO.
Or maybe the ultimate troll artist, is fucking trolling. Perhaps making a joke about stealing their stuff because they stole his.
Perhaps. He’s super-clever like that.
Imagine obliquely calling someone basic when you had to have their point explained
Jesus Christ you are a moron.
The motherfucker is a stooge of the system man! Probably got more lawyers than John Gotti lol.
I support people painting on gray walls in cities!
I support it if it’s what the people want.
As I support a company’s right to use the likeness of illegal graffiti on their clothing.
fair
So you’re a bootlicker? A fascist? You honestly prioritize corporate profits over public art? Fuck you.
The people that will be affected most are the front line staff who is already working on minimum wages…not the multinational corp
They won’t, they are encouraged to let the shoplifters shoplift, because it’s just collateral.
In turn the company will seize operations in that area and the cashiers will lose their jobs.
Great job.You think Guess is going to let their flagship London store go over some shoplifting?
Yes, at enough volume in theft they will just close the shop.
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You just advocated for it. If you dont want it becoming the norm, why would you recommend people to do it. And yes. They will close even the biggest store, if the lost revenue rises high enough.
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If the company is paying you minimum wage you really struggle to give a shit about people stealing from them
Very cooling looking forward to getting a ripped-off version of artwork with messages like “DAE Putin Gay?” And “It’s a commentary on the police, innit?”
Don’t need encouragement, but the thoughts appreciated.
I’m from the UK and I have no idea who Guess even are, so they can’t be that big of a deal. I won’t support them anyway… if I ever see them haha.
A quick search and it looks like the Mike Ashley owned House of Fraser sells them. So double win.
Who owned what?
Mike Ashley owns House of Fraser (it’s a department store in the UK)
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/national/22314678.mike-ashley-controversial-retail-magnate/
Doesn’t Banksy’s entire schtick hang on “helping himself” to a “canvas?”
nahhhh. we know who he is, and he collaborates with local authorities to put up his art. and retains all rights to it of course.
so he is actually very justified in feeling this way because he unironically greatly benefits from the commercial side of things.
of course, he still wants us to think this is some counterculture shit.
I don’t know that this is strictly true, he has had works painted over before and notably had a rivalry with that Manchester King fella and they re did each others works regularly.
Yeah and the rappers that make diss tracks about each other totally hate each other too, it’s not for publicity at all, they’d really kill each other if only they had a chance. Too bad they’re too busy making millions.
That’s not what I’m saying, I think you’re being intentionally negative and obtuse. Yes there is a commercial aspect, no it not a given that everything he does is with the approval of local governments.
He didn’t stand to gain anything by feuding with the other street artist.
Also there are lots of hiphop feuds that do famously bleed into real life and too many have died. Are there people who use this narrative to further their careers, yes but it doesn’t make everything fake.
He stands to gain attention and notoriety, which is why he does everything he does. As does the other street artist. If you don’t think it was a publicity stunt fine, I certainly can’t prove it was, but that’s what I believe.
Yeah but different rules for him, right?
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But why not the opposite! /s
There’s a legitimate discussion to be had about whether not he should be doing that, but to compare it to a multinational corporation profiting off of clothes depicting his work without his permission is pretty disingenuous.
This is not me saying people should go shoplift nor is it me saying that Banksy isn’t a whiner.
My brother in christ the art sells for millions…
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What are you talking about? Are you triggered?
From zero to bad faith accusations in one comment, bravo c/unitedkingdom.
I’m not sure where the bad faith accusation is. You’re saying that because of the way he operates, they get to use his work without his permission on physical products they sell for profit. If this is incorrect feel free to explain what you meant.
You made no bad faith argument here. Your response for further discussion was a great prompt and right in line with this thread but clearly they don’t want to engage.
I really dislike this trend of responding to comments with the red badge of “bad faith argument”. It is awfully dismissive, particularly without saying why, like in this case here. Best case, they may expect that you know exactly why you are being accused of that and want to shut down bad faith arguing, but if you have no idea why, it’s really just meant to insult or harm. Ironically, accusing someone of a bad faith argument without explaining why may be considered bad faith arguing.
Sorry you got a response like that. I thought your response was good, thoughtful and good attempt at more discussion. I agree and don’t have much to add, unfortunately, but just wanted to support your post.
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Remember! If you see someone shoplifting, you didn’t.
Does he have an agent or somebody who can be contacted? Not justifying the shop from doing this but how would somebody seek his permission?
Who Banksy? because he has clearly given his permission in the form of a press release
So Banksy has gven his moral ascent to anyone stealing from that shop although obviously Banksy doesn’t have the legal right to do that and you will still get in trouble if the police catch you but the police in the UK don’t investigate shoplifting less than £200. Although they recently have been told to crack down on all shoplifting so that might change.
But the shop doesn’t have the legal right to have banksy’s stuff either… is it really stealing if the owner of the art says ‘take it, it’s free’?
Well maybe in an equal system here, but guess has more money so they’re our royalty apparently
If it’s someone stealing food and basics then yeah, but if it’s bored kids stealing fashion then they can fuck off. Don’t use the excuse of “sticking it to the man” to justify bring a bellend.
What so worst case scenario Walmart family is 0.0001% less rich?
Literally harming no one, get off your high horse if you got enough money to afford shit (yes even cosmetics some people value)
I think you’re missing my point. If you have so little money that you need to steal just to get by then society has failed you and fuck the corpos trying to keep you down. On the other hand, if you’re well off enough that you can spend your time posting online from your smartphone about how cool it is to nick designer fashion and cosmetics then you’re probably a poser who believes in nothing but getting stuff for free. I imagine there are a few people upvoting the original comment who take their beliefs quite seriously and spend their time doing real activism for social change, however I reckon most of them are edgelords who need to grow up and realise they’re not Robin Hood.
Nah but I do believe there is a gray area. Sure most people have a probably pretty modern phone and computer, but like is living large??
I couldn’t get a job today without a PDF formatted resume and attached phone number, I could have to decide between paying my phone bill and spending money on something I actually care about instead of just handing it off to a super company .
I don’t believe it is even slightly morally wrong to steal just for ones own mental peace of mind, we can probably forgoe a superyacht so some of us to not solely exist for labor
Companies look at shrink and if the margins are too high, they will close the store. It hurts communities if the store they need to purchase food from closes. This is especially problematic in poor communities where not everybody has easy transportation.
That’d be like a LOT of stealing tho. Avg Walmart pulls in $1mil A WEEK.
This is even more so in small towns where they were easily able to secure a monopoly, so for operating one store they’re able to be the only option for a whole town - and they’d have to choose to throw away a perfectly functional source of revenue.
There’s a reason many internet companies are expanding rural, its a larger more spread out market
People are stealing a lot. Saying it harms nobody isn’t correct. In the twin cities we’ve had a Aldi, Walmart and Walgreens all close within the last year. All of them were located in areas with a majority of people being on the poorer side of things. If people bought their groceries at Walmart, now the closest place is Cub which is about 6 miles away. That can be a 30-35 minute difference if you don’t have a car and Cub is much more expensive. I’m not defending corporations but they aren’t going to stay if people are stealing too much. Look at all the companies leaving in San Francisco and Portland.
What, some kids stealing those clothes, of which half that aren’t sold will be shipped directly to a landfill?
Yeah, we gotta step up our game protecting that shit
You’d call cops on children lol
I’d probably just tell them to fuck off home if I was feeding particularly ballsy. Where do you live where the police are well-funded enough that they’d have time to deal with something as small-time and irrelevant as this?
IT IS MY DUTY AS A CITIZEN TO PROTECT TARGETS BOTTOM LINE
