EDIT: I didn’t realize the anger this would bring out of people. It was supposed to be a funny meme based on recent real-life situations I’ve encountered, not an attack on the EU.
I appreciate the effort of the EU cookie laws. The practice of them just doesn’t live up to the theory of the law. Shady companies are always going to find a way to be shady.
I feel like people would have responded to this meme better if you didn’t depict the European Union as an NPC
They’re the ones who made the law. Who else should have been in the meme?
People complaining about the cookie law don’t understand the issue.
The law doesn’t state that websites have to show a cookie banner. It states that if a website wants to track you with cookies, they have to ask permission.
You can get websites (like lemmy and wikipedia) that don’t ask for cookies, because none of them try to track you.
So if a websites demands cookies or they don’t allow access, it is a clear sign that the website only cares about your visit if they can invade your privacy for profit.
Meaning it will just be a dumb clickbait website with no decent content anyway, that you should just skip.
The businesses who are actually doing this shit and not the people actually trying to solve issues in the world lmfao.
Especially compared to some scummy corps.
So far I’ve only seen small US newspaper who did this. Is anyone angry about this?
I just happened to run into a few recently. Just venting some frustration.
There’s a medical website that appears in top searches (forget the name) that does it too but yeah, mostly seems to be news websites but not the big ones. In most cases Unlock Origin or the like can hide the panel they throw up to choose if you really need the info or archive or 12ft ladder can get you the info.
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I dns blocked them after constantly clicking on the first result and it being their site. The “please enable cookies” wall started to get old fast
If only there was a way to store state of that decision…
That’s the one!
I love how my description of basically “it’s a website in searches” was enough for someone to figure it out 😄
https://www.tagesspiegel.de has no option to disable cookies without a subscription from contentpass. I think it’s contentpass’s buisines model.
Nearly all of these are illegal, but sadly there is little enforcement when it comes to this. (Tracking must be opt-in, not opt-out. Ignoring a banner must be interpreted as declining. Opting out must be a simple option, not navigating a complex and misleading menus. The users choice applies to any form of tracking, not just cookies…)
dumbest shit ever
Shrewd businessmen: 1
tyrannical big government: 0
That’s gotta be quite some website you visited, if it didn’t load at all without cookies. As someone from Germany, who mostly rejects every sites cookies, except for the essential ones most of the time, but sometimes outright rejects all cookies, I’ve never encountered a website that refused to load upon doing that.
Not defending any webpages that do do that, just contributing my personal experience.
Also: this for chrome or this for fiefrerfx
Consent-o-matic is magnificent.
One extension to automatically accept, one extension to automatically delete everything after the tab is closed.
I’ve seen Italian sites that will put up a pay wall if you refuse the cookies.
some other just block access from the eu completely. (not a news site, but applebee’s does this)
It’s rare to see (probably since someone pointed out it doesn’t conform to GDPR standards), but I ran into a batch of them in short order recently, so it’s been on my mind.
All don’t offer cookie rejection.
Makes sense, I don’t use any of them, at all. I’m pretty sure there’s a place where you can report such webpages for doing that though, though I don’t know where at the moment.
Edit: possibly this one
Netzpolitik.de checked Germany’s top 100 sites. Not many offer a single click rejection of cookies. Many of them only offer a paid ‘pure abo’ to disable tracking.
Yea, we have the same issue in Austria but technically that’s illegal behaviour and you should be able to report it somewhere!
Don’t know if it’s me or what, but I clicked on the first link and when it opened in my mobile browser, everything started shaking vertically like the page was suffering an earthquake. I’ll definitely have to look into that because I’ve never seen it happen before on any website like it.
Also from Germany. Some american news and media sites do that.
I exit in the EU a lot. Same, they mostly work fine with no cookies. It’s much more common to see one that just doesn’t let EU residents in.
Yeah being unable to open… checks notes local news websites from the US has been a real deal breaker
Sometimes its relieving when you go to do something and you find out that you have already finished, lol.
Frankly I wish I could fit more US politics into my life, so it’s been hard, I tells ya.
Then you’ve picked the right place my friend!
In my experience it seems to be medical websites and recipe websites
I have run into this recently on several non-US, non-news sites. I have actually never run into it on US local news sites, so I don’t know what you’re on about.
Yeah it’s a tragedy
I don’t give a shit about cookies my browser just cleans after me and next time i open it everything is like new.
Road to hell, good intentions and all that. Government fundamentally misunderstanding the role of cookies and the fact that browsers can handle user privacy with trivial effort by default rather than having every single website annoy the fuck out of you with a million goddamn notifications before actually showing you what you want to see.
The annoying popups are an act of malicious compliance from data harvesting companies. The tracking industry wants people to associate the right to privacy with stupid annoyance, so that people will stop demanding privacy.
The legislation does not say anything about cookies. It’s about rights and responsibilities in data collection (no matter how it’s done technically). The “consent” part of it exists as a compromise, because there has been heavy lobbying against the legislation.
This is not a technical problem — we’ve had many technologies for it, and the industry has sabotaged all of them. There was the P3P spec in 2002! It has been implemented in IE that had 90%+ market share back then. And Google has been actively exploiting a loophole in IE’s implementation to bypass it and have unlimited tracking. Google has paid fines for actively subverting Safari’s early anti-tracking measures. Then browsers tried DNT spec as the simplest possible opt-out, and even that has been totally rejected by the data harvesting industry. There are easy technical solutions, but there are also literally trillions of dollars at stake, and ad companies will viciously sabotage all of it.
Well said, appreciate the write up ☺️
Be me, american, using a VPN Visit some fucking webber site to read an article Cookie agreement pops up Has a decline all option pog.png Hit “reject all” New popup appears Says “We’ve detected that you’re in the EU. Due to EU regulations, we cannot display this webpage with the ‘reject cookies’ setting selected. Please accept all cookies to continue” Dafuq
Not at all my experience, but ok.
Clear sign that the only reason that website exist is to extract your privacy for profit.
Just move on to the billion other websites that don’t try to violate you.
That’s fine. People who don’t care about cookies will accept them anyway and those who do care about cookies will know not to visit that site anymore.
Oh boo I can’t visit American propaganda websites what a loss to my European life style
I have run into this recently on several non-US, non-news sites. Your comment is propaganda.
propaganda
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
I absolutely do. Spreading the idea that news sites are all propaganda and the only entities involved in this kind of practice is, in itself, propaganda.
I think they were referring only to American news websites.
You’re right. I wasn’t clear in my comment. Saying all US-news sites are propaganda is propaganda. I’m not sure how that changes anything.
It’s a lost cause, the EU circlejerk is too strong, as clearly everything is a utopia over there with nothing wrong.
GDPR is a good idea, but still very flawed in practice which they really don’t like to admit anything wrong for some reason.
Bruh he was just being unclear
claiming the GDPR is good =/= claiming the GDPR is flawless
They didn’t say that either. Where do you get this idea from that they’re talking about (all) US news sites?
They said “American propaganda websites”. That may include some news sites. It may also not include some news sites.
The most you could infer from their statement is that only American propaganda websites violate the GDPR.
Of course websites exist that violate the GDPR and are not American propaganda websites.
But the vast majority of websites commiting severe violations of the GDPR that an average European encounters will be American propaganda websites.
(Believe it or not, Europeans don’t often visit websites written in Russian or Chinese.)
It means “something bad that I disagree with”, synonymous with communism, socialism, democrats, and Nazis, at least that’s what Infowars tells me.
Infowars tells you Nazis are something you disagree with? Haven’t heard from them in a while. Would have thought they’d quietly drop the Nazis are evil thing.
It’s a synonym for socialism and it means everything that i don’t like
Serious question: I know that there are tracking cookies and the user should be able to decline those,but most sites have an auth cookie that stores you’re credentials. The devs can store it in a different place like local storage but thats really unsecured.what can the devs do in this situation when the user decline all cookies?
Cookies that are crucial for the functioning of the website cannot be disabled by the user.
well, they can be disabled by the user and the site simply won’t work.
He means they are exempt from the EU law that says the use must be presented with the option to disable it
The GDPR is not “cookie law”, it only prohibits tracking users in a way not essential to the operation of the site using locally stored identifiers (cookies, local storage, indexed DB…)
Storing a cookie to track login sessions, or color scheme preference does not require asking the user or allowing them to decline.
The EU is not stupid. They categorized cookies into the necessary ones for site-usage and those that aren’t. So developers just categorize their session cookie (rightfully) as necessary and that’s it.
Usually the prompts are specifically for tracking cookies, not essential ones for login. Alternatives without cookies:
- URL sessions
- Tokens
- OAuth/OIDC third party
- Local/Session Storage (ditto - mind the risks)
The eu rules are mostly about unnecessary cookies. Most web devs just copied whatever everyone else was doing and now there’s this standard of having to accept cookies but the EU doesn’t really enforce it like that
it’s not up to the EU to enforce it.
not sure why you’re downvoted. of course member states enforce it.
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I refuse to go to sites that do this, I also refuse to go to sites that block adblock…and specially the sites that detect and block private browsing, that one shouldn’t even be a thing
I don’t use adblock, and yet i keep getting “disable adblock to view this” messages, fuck this shit
Most browsers block some ads by default as well as some other privacy protections nowadays. I’m guessing whatever sites you’re hitting have advertisers so scummy they’re blocked by default
Might be, might be
I’m using Firefox and might’ve set a couple of the privacy settings “too high”, haven’t checked those in forever
Probably Adguard or Pihole? (Some network level blocking?)
I did have adguard set up, but i disabled it thinking it could help with this issue, which it sadly didn’t
Sites that block adblock - I have network based filtering I’m not going to take the time to specifically figure out what ad providers you’re using (which is probably that same as everyone else) just to unblock your shitty site.
LOL, I also use DNS based filtering soooo I feel your pain.
Hilariously, I find the Pi-hole feature “disable for 5 seconds” often works because it’ll be down for long enough to load the page but not the ads.
I don’t use pihole…didn’t know that was a thing…still don’t plan on using pihole but that’s cool
Reminds me, I need a pihole
Why the fuck would they prevent private browsing? I use that a lot to be sure the session is closed correctly.
There’s lots of newspaper sites in the US, that do this. They’ll be like “wanna use private browsing, make an account, or go visit from normal browsing.” Idk why they do it but they do. Apparently there are discrepancies in the way browsers handle persistent storage features between private and non-private browsing that allow for detection
I’d guess they just want to keep track of what you read and how many articles. You still can wipe that information from your browser but private browsing makes it more convenient so they ban it
I use this to deal with paywalled articles.
This comment needs more upvotes…I did not know this was a thing and I’ll try to remember it next time I hit a wall
Bigger walls, bigger ladders!!!
Cause they can’t track your browser history that way.
The fun part is that websites that do this are illegal in the EU
They need to start flexing that 4% revenue / year fines
I hope one day they just start fining everyone doing it all at once
And i hope they start using that sizing thing at airports to keep people from carrying on their massive samsonite tuba-sized suitcases and jamming them into the entirety of the overhead storage.
But we can’t always get what we want.
Like I care. I’ve got a plugin that automatically accepts all cookies, and another one that deletes cookies when I leave the page.
Better to use consent-o-matic, which blocks all possible cookies instead of accepting them.
The websites still work perfectly anyway, it only preserves your privacy.
By accepting everything, you are also sending most of the time extra data to third parties. What you are doing is ill-advised if you care about privacy.
How does that work though? The cookies are presumably based on things like your IP and browser metrics, which a site gets from your browser. If your browser throws away the cookies then on your next visit you aren’t volunteering that you’ve been there before. But the site can still likely figure it out, but without the cookies it isn’t as certain. With well-constructed cookies they can be almost 100% sure you’re the same visitor.
Cookie consent is actually supposed to be about all data tracking.
There are quite a few analytics that do fingerprinting “because it’s not a cookie, it’s not covered by Cookie Consent”. But it is still covered.
Some of them respect the fact that declining cookies is about declining tracking.So, if you consent to all cookies, you are also consenting to any fingerprinting that doesn’t rely on cookies. So deleting cookies wouldn’t remove that fingerprinting data.
Gotcha, responsible site owners should not be tracking you if you decline cookies.
Not really. If you’re using an adblocker, it’s the best option. It’s the path of least resistance, and tracking is blocked regardless if it’s tracked it not. No server will see if you pressed accept or decline. That’s why this addon exists.
Just because your browser doesn’t show ads doesn’t mean you don’t get profiled.
Yes it does. Open up your adblocker to see the tracker domains blocked.
Wait doesn’t it automatically deny them?
The “I still don’t care about Cookies” extension does not, no.
This extension can do that: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/consent-o-matic/
However, since many webpages have illegally made it so refusing consent is more difficult than giving ‘consent’, that extension is significantly more complex and in my experience doesn’t work as reliably, unfortunately.
Yeah, sometimes websites have so many hidden checkboxes, that consent-o-matic has a rough time going through all of them. Takes like 10-20 seconds to disable them all at computerized speed.
Imagine doing it by hand, lol.
Is there any extension for android that can do that?
Well, you can install both of these add-ons via this workaround: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2020/09/29/expanded-extension-support-in-firefox-for-android-nightly/
(I have used both. Both work. Although, again, I’d rather recommend I Still Don’t Care About Cookies + Cookie Auto-Delete.)However, Mozilla plans to make much more extensions available for Android soon, so you might see these regularly available before the end of the year. This is what we know for now: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2023/08/10/prepare-your-firefox-desktop-extension-for-the-upcoming-android-release/
The above is wrong, the add on attempts to hide the prompt. It doesn’t accept nor reject it.
I Still don’t care about cookies? From its description:
In most cases, the add-on just blocks or hides cookie related pop-ups. When it’s needed for the website to work properly, it will automatically accept the cookie policy for you (sometimes it will accept all and sometimes only necessary cookie categories, depending on what’s easier to do).
So, yeah, doesn’t accept everything, but might accept some.
