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Good take on a classic
I’ve never seen a more accurate application of this meme, honestly. The amount of grandstanding by the US on one achievement out of a hundred is impressive.
No one ever remembers voyager. 40 years old and the first craft in interstellar space.
Look, this is just cope. Once both nations had icbms, the space race was a propaganda and national prestige thing. The fact that most people say amerikkka won the space race means they did.
Most people think Uncle Sam won WWII thanks to decades of propaganda by Hollywood.
Rethink your thesis.
The fact that most people say amerikkka won the space race
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maybe. let’s try getting poll data from outside the 
Also, no not everything comes down to propaganda victories lol. For example, in warfare, it’s highly possible to win a propaganda victory at home among your indoctrinated population while losing the actual war. You can have all your citizens believe your army is killing 5161864681614 enemy combatants every day when in fact it’s mostly killing civilians and getting bogged down in counter-insurgency. This is the form most US wars take, after all.
first man, woman, and dog in space
Ah yes, the three genders
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Moving the finish line arbitrarily to the moon to get a W is like naming a sporting event the ““World”” Series but only allowing 2 countries to compete so you can declare yourselves world champions 99% of the time.
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Idk I don’t follow sports, are Russians and Indians invited to the MLB World Series?
‘Ignorance is strength,’ eh?
I didnt expect even this one to make the federated libs mad because its just… basic description of the facts. But ok.
Soon Hexbear…first shitposters in space.
The US still hasn’t landed on Venus and probably never will
Not until I complete my plan to yeet America onto Venus anyway.
Those photos from venus are still the coolest space photos I’ve seen
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I see you’ve already been to jupiter
New account, baby joke. Yeah, it’s lib time.
Not much to gain by going there. Wildly corrosive, too hot, too hard to terraform with present tech.
Terraforming isn’t on the table anywhere. We can’t even stop fucking up this planet, let alone unfuck it, let alone apply much more advanced unfucking tech on planets without any of the environmental cycles we take for granted.
Space programs do science stuff and military stuff. Revisiting Venus would be for science stuff.
Space programs definitely do science and stuff. All I meant to say was that Venus might not be the lowest hanging fruit for scientific discovery. It’s really expensive to go there. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t.
I see now how my post could read as an elon-fanboi type “colonize all the things” and that was not what I intended. I do think Atmospheric sensor clusters on Venus would be pretty awesome. It could give us an interesting set of insights into a wildly different environment.
Maybe we should try terraforming earth before we start to look elsewhere idk.
Don’t you worry - looks at CO2e levels - we are
Me: Can we go to Venus?
Mom: No, we have Venus at home.
The Venus at home:
now this is the dark humor im here for
As opposed to all those easy places to terraform
At 50km high it is literally the most Earth-like environment in the whole of the solar system (outside of Earth / the ISS / Tiāngōng obviously)
You wouldn’t even need a spacesuit or a pressure suit to stand outside, just a respirator and some light protection against acid
That is so fucking cool to think about
One of the only places in our system where you could feel the wind of another planet in a cool 25C against your face without protection except for eye goggles (not for very long though, again, acid).
The idea of floating outposts there is at least 50 years old (and comes from a soviet scientist originally IIRC); balloons filled with breathable air - which is a nice reserve for the same as a bonus - would have enough buoyancy at this altitude to support relatively large outposts attached to them. Not only that, the cosmic ray protection afforded by the atmosphere at that altitude is basically similar to the one on Earth; and those balloons wouldn’t need to be pressurized either, just filled, meaning if you get a leak you have potentially hours to fix it (or even days / more if you connect several such balloons together with some buoyancy margin).
I’d always assumed that floating Venus colonies were fun sci-fi nonsense. I’m kinda taken aback at how feasible it actually is
hard to terraform with present tech
What place isn’t hard to terraform with present tech?
Hell, even terraforming Earth with present tech can prove a challenge at times.
BAHHHH I MADE AN ESSAY ABOUT THIS LIKE LAST WEEK CAN YOU PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP
I mean other than scientific discovery like what’s up with the phosphine, we keep detecting it and debunking it sure would be nice to have something floating there to figure it out (or landed for however long they last)
Jesus Christ liberals’ brains are mush. the point of science is to learn things, not find new planets to ruin
Death to America
It’s two different approaches to the moon.
The Americans’ F-1 rocket engine that powered the Apollo flights was truly impressive, and remains one of the most powerful single combustion rocket engine ever made. However, they were gas generator engines that are highly inefficient, which is why today you won’t see the Americans trying to go to the moon using the same design.
The Soviet N1 moon rocket was instead powered by 30 small but far more efficient NK-15 engines. The problem for them was that the computer system used at the time (KORD) was not responsive enough to react to multiple rapidly occurring processes and which led to faulty controls during launch.
To put it another way, the Americans strapped on the bigger but less efficient rocket engines and got lucky. The Soviets tried a novel and innovative design that was way ahead of their time and failed.
However, the Soviets shall get the last laugh, because 50 years later the American SpaceX company would copy the same concept for their super heavy lift vehicle design (Super Heavy used for Starship), which in many ways conceded that the Soviet design was a more viable one.
On the left: N-1 (1969-72), on the right: SpaceX Super Heavy (April 2022, which exploded during the test launch)
Reminder that even 50 years later, SpaceX Starship also experienced failure during its first orbital test flight despite advances in technology and especially leaps in computing power.
However, the Soviets shall get the last laugh, because 50 years later the American SpaceX company would copy the same concept for their super heavy lift vehicle design (Super Heavy used for Starship), which in many ways conceded that the Soviet design was a more viable one
This happens often in American industry, especially aeronautics . More promising designs are considered “ahead of their time” and often lose out to more conventional designs, only for the more promising designs to return later and be adopted. With regards to fighter jets, one just needs to look at the YF-23 vs the YF-22. The battle for the fifth gen fighter jet program. The YF-23 was faster, stealthier, more maneuverable in most common scenarios. The YF-22 ended up winning, and becoming the F-22, because it had thrust vectoring and was more appealing to conventional tactics. But now that the US wants to build a sixth gen fighter plane, and other countries want to build 5.5 gen planes, all the proposed designs look extremely similar to the YF-23. Almost as if it was the better overall design. Similar is happening with the Airforce’s proposed replacement for the F-35, the replacement looks like a clone of an F-16XL. An experimental design that also lost out on a contract to the F15E if I remember correctly, but is now coming back.
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Soyuz stays winning
Oh fuck off
Does Roscosmos count? They’re using the same stuff.
This is how you remind me of who I really am
Soviets are also the only country to have landed on Venus. Not just the first, the only one.
The images from Venus are absolutely fascinating. If I recall, the craft that took the first images burned up after a very short amount of time (like 50 or so minutes) because of the extreme heat.
That’s a bit COPIUM tbh
let me use an analogy from software development. the soviets wrote all the foundational code libraries, and the american forked those libraries to build a shiny web application
Well with the only diference that they both used closed source code. So both of them were on their own.
they both used closed source code
USA/USSR(later RF)/PRC have all collaborated on space science, both during and after the 1945-1991 cold war.
Well then even better! Humanity achived all of that by mutual colaboration!! How great!!
Science has no political views still in the cold war! Cool.
The point is that national chauvinism in the US touts the moon landing as the ultimate victory, and that glosses over the accomplishments of the USSR, keeping people here ignorant of the potential of alternative political-economic systems, allowing propaganda to get away with lies like “communism means no innovation”
But you’re obviously not ignorant of that, you posted “COPIUM” just to be an ass
Why?
Why even is getting a man on the moon important?
And if it was important why did we stop?
The value of manned missions was propaganda which is why the Apolo mission was cancelled when it stopped getting TV ratings. Because getting humans on the moon didn’t actually deliver anything of much importance except those TV ratings.
“First game of golf on the moon” good job USA you did it meanwhile the USSR landed on Venus.
You can’t say it isn’t copium and then go into a bunch of sour grapes about how the moon is dumb and who cares. The whole world was pretty psyched about it at the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Space_Race
And it’s not like someone who reads this meme is going to come away with an accurate impression of the space race. People in this thread are talking about how “the US did this one thing and that’s’ it”
Yeah people were “psyched” about it but when they stopped being psyched and stopped watching - when they lost the tv ratings - the Apolo mission was canned.
How is what you said even vaguely a rebuttal of the idea it was showy propaganda with minimal scientific value?
Playing golf on the moon actually wasn’t an important thing to do. It’s cool, I’d like to do it… but it’s really pretty superficial. It’s a vanity propaganda piece and nothing else that’s why we didn’t go back because it doesn’t matter.
How is what you said even vaguely a rebuttal of the idea it was showy propaganda with minimal scientific value?
Why is such a rebuttal needed? The fact that the space race was about propaganda first and scientific and engineering advancement second is baked into the conversation. Does it apply more to the moon landing versus other parts?
And they did science on the moon.
your comment reduces to “it was of minor scientific value but a propaganda win” which is exactly what I’m saying.
It’s four sentences long, why are you reducing it? I was agreeing that this meme is cope. You’re the one who moved to that framing.
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I wouldn’t say putting a man on the moon isn’t important. It’s certainly very cool. But is it as important as satellites? Fuck no!
And if it was important why did we stop?
Like it’s cool in a “I’d like to take a submarine to visit the titanic” dare devil sense but why was it important?
How did it improve the world?
To be fair, we went back multiple times, and india just put a lunar lander on the south pole. Lots of valuable scientific data about our closest celestial neighbor has been discovered through these missions.
While I see what you mean, systematic scientific research about the moon, carried out over decades by multiple countries, however imperfect, is far different than the hubris of a bourgeois dipshit getting himself crushed at the bottom of the ocean, because he wanted to see a glorified cemetery and thought safety regulations were for liberal pinko cucks.
Fun fact: every crewed mission to the Moon in human history was done during the first presidential term of the Nixon regime.
oooh 86 comments about the space race. I’m sure this will be very normal
even as an anarchist, I’ve got to hand it to the soviets on this one.
It’s like the tortoise and the hare, us caught the soviets sleeping
No one gives a shit who’s first at the check points just who crosses the line first
That really depends on where you consider the “finish line” to be? Is it the Moon, Mars, Venus?
The Soviets have done things in space that the US has not, like sending a probe to Venus. That’s why I bring up my first point. The Soviets were also the first to land a probe on Mars. The US has also done things the Soviets have not, like sending a man to the moon. So where do we define the end point for the “space race”?
The finish line is the most impressive thing America managed to do first, so I always win
No one besides the US wanted to put a man on the moon, because it was a pointless and dangerous stunt.
Lol
'" we didn’t want to anyway"
Also completely false anyway, they wanted to and failed
When it comes to contributions to the body of international science, putting space stations in the air and putting rovers on planets are a lot more important than the propaganda victory of a spacewalk. A person doing a spacewalk on the moon isn’t even as efficient at collecting mineral and soil samples as a rover would be. It’s also kinda irresponsible since it puts lives at higher risk than just doing standard space missions.
At the end of the day though, this is just a communist shitpost. Science has always been international collaboration and not a national chauvinist thing. Communists are the first to acknowledge that since communism is an internationalist ideology that upholds the working class.
