Stop blaming your weaknesses on others. don’t get into a war you can’t win. no one owes you nothing
his dudes opinion brought to you by the cooked shit he got told to think
Get fucked, Russia apologist.
Russia started the war you fucking donkey.
So Ukraine should do what when they’re attacked?
Surrender and comply to their brothers /s
Big “she should have dressed differently” energy
What about The Pimps who push the weak to do the dirty work for them
your military industrial complex has never had it this good, proxy wars without local push backs, no western blood shed so even the antiwar crowd has gone silent in the west.
Peace at all costs has a price that should not be paid
The sane part of the anti war crowd knows that there have been peace settlements with Russia but that they don’t last. Settling with Russia is just giving them time to re-arm
Their deaths are on elons hands
He probably gets off from that.
Either elon is a ficking idiot or has Russian allies
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As a fan of some of Musk’s technical vision and how he’s revolutionizing society, I stringly believe he’s an effing idiot. People have given him so much praise, adulation, money, that he thinks he’s right and is easy to manipulate.
He’s a sucker who should go back to what he’s good at. Step back from the war and attempts at diplomacy, put Twitter on fire sale to someone who can fix it, and go back to your core. Let’s get cyber truck and semi out in force. Let’s deliver Roadster v2 and get to work on that rumored $25k cybercar. Let’s continue the revolution. Let’s get Starship/Superheavy flying, and continue through to Mars. Let’s continue the revolution of humans stepping out into the solar system. While he’s at it, it’s time to bail on some of the less successful sideshows. Stop wasting time and money trying to make a go of residential solar: great idea but if you can’t deliver something people can adfird, it’ll never work
SpaceX literally has somebody whose job it is to wrangle Musk, and keep him from fucking things up. They get great things done in spite of him, not because of him.
The real person in charge of SpaceX and keeping it successful is Gwynne Shotwell.
Bourgeois solidary does not know national borders.
Both? He’s been trying to meddle and play “peacekeeper” this entire time. Except his version of peace is. Let the Russians keep everything they’ve taken, take the L and deal with it so I can continue to sell products and services there.
My favorite was seeing a comment where someone said “i’m not going to believe the words of some dude trying to sell a book”
It’s also not a mistake when we know he’s buddy buddy with Russia. We know why they did it.
The US has spent at least 80 Billion dollars arming and supporting Ukraine in it’s defense against Russian genocidal aggression and Western expansion that puts the entire NATO block in jepordy, why is Elon fucking Musk allowed to put his thumb on the scale in favor of the enemy? Why isn’t anyone in the Biden administration tearing him a new asshole form stem to stern, why isn’t anyone in the Biden administration publicly discussing nationalizing Starlink. We’re literally throwing money into conflict (for absolutely necessary, vital, and justified reason) that one man is deciding the outcomes of, and the United States government is just … what … ok with this?
I don’t feel like nationalizing Starlink for the USA is best for everyone. It is a world-wide network, I feel like it would be better as something that isn’t controlled by any single country (but, obviously I agree it should not be controlled by a single billionaire fuck-boy either…).
Go check out who runs GPS. Starling being nationalized isn’t happening, but if it did the service would likely keep on keeping on.
GPS is quite a bit different. The satellites just orbit and send the same information out. The user device doesn’t have to send anything back - the “communication” is only 1-way. Also, GPS is significantly further out from the planet and involves a lot less satellites, so it is not really feasible to turn them off specifically targeting a small area or an individual target - you’d have to black out a huge chunk of the planet to reliably block “an enemy” from using it.
And that is why Russia also uses GPS.
Isn’t most of that $80 billion in the form of weaponry ordered from US manufacturers? Or maybe I’ve misunderstood. I thought much of the cash hasn’t really left America.
But yeah, musk needs to be stopped. No one person should have so much power, it makes a joke of democracy.
Most of it is actually old equipment they’re taking out of storage. Of course the US likes to have stuff like that around for various contingencies, one of which is the exact thing it’s being used for now. So new equipment will be bought for the US military and existing equipment will be placed into a storage a little sooner than usual.
But a big chunk of that price tag is ordinance, and yeah that needs to be re-ordered right away.
But at any rate, yeah nearly all of it is from US manufacturers, though there may be a few parts and things from allies like Canada.
I’m just some dumbfuck but,…money?
Money from the guy who moves his companies to dodge taxes?
Oh, ha ha, not tax money, bribes to the right politicians, silly…
Pretty much - Muskrat most likely privately funds (read: bribes) enough government officials to either stand by and do nothing or actively interfere.
This advisor should also consider the lack of response from the US itself as part of the problem - Muskrat is helping out an enemy, but uhhh… what the fuck did the government do to curb that shit from happening in the first place?
Friendly reminder to everyone that all politicians are corrupt pieces of shit that will sell you out in a heartbeat. I don’t know what the solution is but anyone who isn’t rich is getting absolutely fucked by our own governments.
It’s not so hard to understand why, have fun doing simple math…
It’s insane to me that the CEO of a private company can directly engage to change the outcome of a battle without the whole population completely losing their shit over it. This asshole turned off his product to intentionally prevent our ally from succeeding in a battle against our enemy. And his reason is that he was trying to prevent escalation. How the fuck is that his call to make?
Yes. Because a lot of powerful people stand to make a shitload of money off this conflict. The longer it goes, the more weapons it requires. The more weapons it requires, the more money they make.
Why with all those billions are we relying on a private company for military communications? I’m not excusing Musk AT ALL, but communications are insanely important in a conflict. Why are these governments spending all of this money and not just doing it themselves? If the military ordered supplies from Walmart and Walmart didn’t deliver them, wouldn’t we be asking the government instead “why the hell did you do that?”
Another “liberal” who hates democracy…
Why isn’t Biden just confiscating a private company??? Are you serious?
How are these things in any way related?
Democracy - the people voting on laws; representative democracy - the people voting for representatives to vote on laws
Nationalizing a company that provides a fundamental, necessary world wide service because one man decided he could determine the outcome of a battle.
Hmm… not really sure how these two things are related.
Sure. 😉
Billionaires are not democratic.
And what do you think calling for the state to take control of a business that disagrees with it’s policy goals is?
Nationalization? That’s not a new concept.
So you’d be okay with trump nationalizing a company because it disagrees with his foreign policy?
I wouldn’t be okay with trump in the first place, so I don’t see how that’s much of a gotcha.
Of course your don’t. You’re a partisan.
One thing that seems to be the case with Biden’s administration - there’s a lot going on behinds the scenes that we’re not aware of.
You’re right, there should be some life changing repercussions for Musk. Hopefully we’ll find out those are in the works.
That would require holding a billionaire accountable in some way though?
If we’ve learned anything from the Trump indictments, it takes many years to build a watertight case against somebody with lots of legal resources.
Do we need to hold Musk accountable? Yes. But also we need to do it in a way that he can’t wriggle out of, and that means years of legal work first.
I really hope Mr free speach doesn’t do anything about this scathing entirely accurate tweet about what an egoistical monster Elon is posted on the platform Elon owns.
Why are you lying in your post title
In what way are Podolyak’s words not being accurately paraphrased in the headline?
Whoops, it seems you accidentally posted here instead of a maga site, like Russian supported Parler.
I’m not even going to check what it is, but kbin.projectsegfau.lt sounds like a sketchy place.
Lots of sketchy places on Lemmy. “In other news” on sh.itjust.works is a textbook example of Horseshoe Theory, right down to banning users who dare to question the propaganda posted by the “liberal” running it. I’m proud to be one of those users.
Somebody as weak as Musk should not have responsibility like that.
Starlink is a great system. The problem is its idiot owner, Musk, who is more worried how the use of Starlink in the Ukraine is going to affect his company stock. You’re in the big leagues now, Elmo. You cant “sort of” commit to a war unless you’re a rich Saudi dilettante, who wants to try his hand at international shiat-stirring.
The use of Starlink was restricted by US Government sanctions: no use on Russian territory or assets.
Tough luck, that also means no using it for attacking on Russian territory or assets.
Edit: Here’s a link with sources and dates.
Musk didn’t allow it. Full stop. It’s not so,e government sanction thing.
Even quotes you reference are from Musk, himself, sharing why he decided so. Musk said he chose not to activate it because he’d be apart of escalating the war…
Musk said he chose not to activate it because he’d be apart of escalating the war…
…which was against US Government policy.
Please read all the links before cherry picking only some of them.
What against US policy? Escalating the war? We already are sending tons of military equipment, some used in counter offensives.
Post the link and full article you got that from, I’d like to read but many of the links are pay walled.
Here’s what I read from one of the links you referenced, I would think Musk would say it’s against US policy if that’s the reason he chose not to activate Starlink
“There was an emergency request from government authorities to activate Starlink all the way to Sevastopol,” Musk wrote on X, the platform previously known as Twitter.
“The obvious intent being to sink most of the Russian fleet at anchor. If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation,” Musk wrote.
An excerpt about the raid from American author and journalist Walter Isaacson’s upcoming biography on Musk, titled “Elon Musk,” was published by CNN. Ukrainian submarine drones loaded with explosives were approaching a Russian naval fleet in the Crimean city of Sevastopol when they lost connection and “washed ashore harmlessly,” according to Isaacson.
Musk was concerned about Russia responding to the naval attack with a nuclear weapon, Isaacson wrote in the book, according to CNN. Ukrainian officials
What against US policy?
You can check the list of sanctions imposed on Ukraine/Russia, which regions, types of activity and subjects, along with the exceptions and licenses at:
You may notice that US citizens have been forbidden from providing telecommunications services, including via satellite, in the conflict areas since early 2022, requiring a special license to operate.
Starlink didn’t have such license, and only got a DoD agreement in mid 2023.
In late 2022, Musk would’ve had to break that policy in order to allow the drones to be controlled into the conflict zone.
As for him saying so… I don’t think he’s the type to paint himself as subservient to the government, even if he is; more like the megalomaniac type claiming to have stopped WW3 barehanded, even if he literally did nothing.
So the only one saying Musk didn’t activate Starlink was because of US sanctions is you, and not even Musk himself.
There’s not article, just you deducing from the US sanctions list.
What’s your point, that I should write an article? 🙄
Crimea is Ukraine. Also that’s not how sanctions work at all
Crimea is Ukraine
Crimea is Stalin’s “present” to the Republic of Ukraine after the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Crimean Tatars by the USSR.
Do you support that genocide?
that’s not how sanctions work at all
These sanctions work exactly like that: no service, means no service, not “no service, but sometimes some”.
If you want an exception, you ask the US Government, not some rando running the service.
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You may want to look up the meaning of “tankie”, then re-read my comment, followed by some basic history notions, like the link I’ve provided.
Great example of people downvoting the truth away. The spectacle of American politics can no longer address material truths, outside of merely referencing good or bad actors.
Elon’s negative image is proof because he used to be widely considered as someone solving the climate crisis through free market capitalism, but the truth is he never changed and has always been this way, and the system he operates in where people need cars is the problem.
It’s also a given that Americans are blind or refuse to acknowledge the effects of their government’s sanctions on the world, the private business interests that benefit, and the way they exploit people like themselves in other countries and use them as pawns.
That’s a remarkably interesting link, thanks for sharing.
It’s very impressive how someone can be so wrong yet so confident at the same time.
A country should not approach a foreign company directly. It shall approach the government and that government shall guide the company. No matter what the topic is. Government to government.
Btw, this is not news.
Real quick: What do you think the DoD contract that Starlink won from the Pentagon specifically for Ukraine is about?
Think? He’s not paid to think
There was no DoD contract at the time. Should’ve paid the guy sooner.
“it shall approach the government and that government shall guide the company”.
Are you writing up a manifesto or something lmao
Musk has been talking to Putin and it is clear he is taking instructions from him.
No matter how much it bothers you, this is news.
Could you please cite some sources, as per rule 8 (:
How is that clear?
So that constitutes a war crime at this point, correct?
Nope.
That’s treason,… is it not?
The US law Musk violated would be the Logan Act…
Russia is an enemy aggressor nation. Helping their military and their government without U.S. Congress approval is treason.
He’s not ukrainian so I don’t see why or how it would be treason.
Just a very shitty move.
He helped a country we have sanctions against.
That is not treason.
Are you saying it doesn’t meet the definition or he can’t be tried for it. I’m assuming you’re not a lawyer but this is the definition. Elon’s actions=treason. Treason is the crime of attacking a state authority to which one owes allegiance.[1] This typically includes acts such as participating in a war against one’s native country, attempting to overthrow its government, spying on its military, its diplomats, or its secret services for a hostile and foreign power, or attempting to kill its head of state. A person who commits treason is known in law as a traitor.[2]
If you read the wiki page, you’ll find that citation [1] is about Roman and Germanic law, and citation [2] is a dictionary. Neither of which are relevant to this case.
But even if your definition were relevant, Elon Musk did not commit treason because he is not a Ukrainian citizen, and owes no allegiance to them.
Elon Musk has US citizenship. But under US law, this isn’t treason either. Treason is defined in the constitution as “levying war against the U.S.” not the case here, or “or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.”
You could argue this rises to the level of aid or comfort, but Russia is not an enemy in the eyes of the constitution. They would have to engage in open hostilities for that to be the case. The war in Ukraine is not open hostility against the US.
I’m not a lawyer, but I can do better research than copying the first paragraph from the first searh result.
Treason is a serious crime STOP diminishing that word by misusing it.
That’s just twisting of reality.
I hate Musk, but Starlink has been immensely important to Ukraine, I remember Michael Kofman saying that if there’s one wonder weapon in this war, it’s the Starlink.
What Musk did was refusing to help more. Shitty move, but it’s absurd to call it “helping Russia”. You also aren’t helping Russia because you don’t send all your discretionary income to Ukrainian army.
He was paid for a service and he turned it off, that’s way different than “helping more”. Don’t be a Musk apologist, he’s got billions to go to that cause.
Musk provided terminals and connections initially for free, a contract with US for compensation was awarded only later.
The policy to provide coverage only in Ukraine controlled area was there all along, so that was clearly part of that contract.
Again, I very much dislike Musk, but then I also dislike when hate obscures facts.
Technically, no. But I doubt that Musk will be getting any contracts in Ukraine after the war. Probably ruined any other future business in any of the other countries in a similar situation as Ukraine bordering Russia as well.
For Ukraine yes this treason. But in USA if you an oligarch with a lot of money you can do what you want. I won’t be suprise if the republicans will promote to stop the war by not sending ressources to Ukraine. You know, to promote democracy and free world…
I think there’s even a decent case to make this distinction, that Starlink is for communication but not attacking. The problem is making the decision unilaterally, in secret, with no warning, and contrary to customer expectations, with timing that uniquely benefits an enemy of civilization
There’s a good chance Putin is richer than Musk…just saying. And since there is that chance, what are the chances Putin has money in Musk’s various businesses?
Starlink fails if Russia or any other country decides to shoot down its satellites. That’s enough reason for musk to be a patsy of any government that threatens to do it.
If one state starts shooting down satellites, they’re going to get their own ones targeted and it only ends when neither has any satellites left. That’s not a box anyone is willing to open.
I’m pretty confident that Musk has insurance for that. They can’t shoot down enough of them to make a big difference, you may have a hole but the network will be ok.
No business wants to rely on insurance. It will never cover all the future losses in a business like this.
A network with regular outages is nearly worthless for most use cases…
Oh you could put a million dollar missle on a 25 thousand dollar satellite. But, you’re going to run out of missiles.
Look up: Kessler syndrome
Yup, they’re already having problems without even getting attacked. Shooting “down” (they wouldn’t fall down) some of the satellites, could easily create enough debris to start a cascading collision effect and turn the whole orbit into a minefield.
It’s even worse, because they are in orbits creating a crisscross grid, meaning debris from one satellite would cross the paths of dozens of others in a short period of time.
Also, disabling a dozen or a thousand satellites, wouldn’t create a “hole” in the network over any single place, since every single satellite goes over the whole globe, replacing any disabled one.
Someone trying to attack Starlink, would either have to trigger a cascading effect, or get no effect at all.
couldn’t you toss up a towing satellite that goes from sat to sat and hooks them together?
If you mean to “scoop them up” as a means of attack… there are thousands of them already, they’re all over the globe, with plans to go up to 40k. They do have engines, and while not particularly powerful (hall effect ion thrusters), they could try to counter the attack by trying to deorbit, along with the attacking satellite. My guess is it would be too slow and ineffective.
The best physical attack would be to cause a collision cascade at their orbital height… or set off a nuke in orbit and EMP them by the hundreds, but that would also EMP a bunch of other satellites, mess up the Van Allen belts, hit anything in a wide area on the ground, and breach several international treaties.
They’ll avoid the debris as they do now. It’s every day business
The number of debris avoidance maneuvers is growing faster than the number of satellites. Even without an attack, it’s anyone’s guess when the amount of debris will overcome their ability to avoid it.
In the case of an attack, they’d quickly run out of avoidance ability (onboard fuel) and either have to use the remaining fuel to de-orbit, or become part of the cascade of collisions.
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