Setting up and adding things to linux until you break it is nature’s way of teaching you linux. there’s a bunch of other DEs you can try!
Big old case of Stockholm syndrome.
I can write and run hundreds of different server and service configurations, tooling, and standardized install experience though multiple packages, run ML, do ETL, etc, and it’s 90% the same and a mostly sane process that’s easy to learn, and quite marketable.
DE isn’t that. It’s garbage. It’s overly complicated, you need an indepth understand of the eco system and tons of components and even if you end up learning the stack shit is still just going to break because of the absurdly broad nature of the entire stack. And frankly none of that is a particularly good skillet to have if you want to be paid well.
There are 3 reasons to use Linux DESKTOP.
- Mandatory from your org.
- You fundamentally do not support Microsoft and Apple for whatever reason.
- You want to tinker in an endless loop if you want anything remotely beyond the default.
The former is predictable and well managed. The latter is chaos and pain.
- I want a to be able to run it on an old computer and get security patches. Only need the web browser.
Covered in the simple use cases. It’s fine if you want a desktop in is absolute most basic state.
I’m just saying, so this garage “it’s about tinkering”.
I like Gnome because it looks sexy and sleek, and comes default on my Ubuntu. I have a little experience with XFCE and LXDE on Proxmox and Raspberry Pis, and they’re perfectly functional and great, so I don’t want to besmirch them. But they give me a kinda uneasy sensation like I’m using a tamagotchi or something. I don’t know if this is only because I’m using them on low-power potato computers or without proper display drivers, but they just look a little crude by comparison.
gnome looks decent out the box the rest need work to look good but can look better imo
Me, casually running Mate and enjoying on stable and customizable it is. I’ll let you guys fight while I enjoy my polished experience!
I would love Wayland support tho…
Same, I love Mate but cannot use it due to it not supporting fractional scaling (I use a 4K TV as my monitor).
I would have thought a 4K TV was enough to use 200% on, no?
No, since it’s far too big for me to use
Depends wythey have a 4K TV. If it’s beccause they want to see more apps at the same time, no
For me the only shell extension that matters is material-shell which gives me nice window tiling. When it works it works when there’s an update it breaks 90% of the time. I almost always have to do some hacky shit with js to get it working.
This is like the primary reason I use XFCE
It just works nicely and efficiently and you can customize it in every way possible. Hell you can change the compositor or even run a subset like xfce-panel.
The only real downside is XFCE doesn’t have wayland support, which in of itself is already an arguable need.
GNOME is like using a chromebook which is insulting to the ability of a computer.
Funny, GNOME 45 will break every extension without exception
Yeah, this is a big shame. I don’t have context on the technical details but JS runtimes have been supporting CJS and ES modules in parallel for a decade now. Was it really too much work to support both for some time?
Of course I say this as someone who has contributed zero time to adding this support.
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Same, Cosmic looks very promising. I’m looking for Budgie 11 too, that could be something good.
COSMIC has been just about the only thing keeping me from my usual distrohopping. I’m so hyped for system76 to release it.
The reason I don’t use Gnome is because it’s only usable after you’ve installed a bunch of extensions yet after every update, half the extensions are always broken.
Same. I don’t understand why it is the most popular desktop on Linux. It’s like the Windows 8 of Linux GUIs.
GNOME is basically the Apple of desktop environments. “You’re wrong to want this super common thing, we know what’s better for you and don’t you defy us!”
Yep. GNOME is terrible. Unfortunately, it’s the default desktop for most distros, so it’s most new users’ experience of “what Linux is”.
I don’t always use Fedora, but when I do it’s always Fedora KDE. Sometimes I forget that the default is GNOME which leads to confusion when posting about issues I run into on Fedora lol.
You are free to fork it at anytime. I really can’t hate them for having a cohesive vision they plan on developing.
That’s fair, and people have.
chuckles in i3
I just can’t get used to GNOME. I’ve been using “classic” DEs for too long, so every time I try GNOME I start customizing it and end up withh a worse version of KDE
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The only thing I really use is dash to dock
It’s there a reason you don’t use a tiling WM with no desktop environment if those are the three things you are looking for?
Most of those require some configuration out of the box and target power-users who are comfortable with manually editing text-based config files (or editing header files and then recompiling from source if you’re one of those people). One of Gnomes big selling points is accessibility, which none of the tiling WMs offer in any significant way.
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Me too, but tbh it should at least include vitals and gsconnect.
Laugh in Cinnamon…
I was grow up using windows xp and 7 btw… XDI use two extensions in gnome I cannot live without. Currently travelling, so I don’t know their names by heart. One is for vertical workspaces, the other to visualize CPU/memory/network/disk.
I’ve had to use a Macbook for a month now, and let me tell you. The world of “I need some functionality = install third party stuff” is infinitely worse.
Want to launch custom terminal with global hotkey? => third party app
Want to manage window layout with keyboard shortcuts? => third party app
Want to add support for normal keys on an external keyboard? (like, home key not being dead) ? => third party app
Want better screenshot support? => third party app
Want to be able to navigate workspaces without waiting 2 second with 120Hz refresh rate monitors (because developers implemented it wrong)? => third party app
Want an alt+tab functionality that isn’t a mix between bugged and useless? => third party app
The situation of gnome would be a godsent. It’s so bad that I don’t care about system monitoring or vertical workspaces. But, once I do, those too would be third party apps.
I have used XFCE, KDE, and GNOME and in my opinion, Gnome provides by far the best the best workflow for me. The UI is very keyboard-driven, which makes navigation very fast and intuitive. Also it doesn’t look like an outdated Windows version (like Plasma or XFCE) and I had way fewer bugs with it than with any other desktop.
I find it interesting how everyone always talks about the „Unix philosophy“ („software should do one thing and do it well“) but at the same time everyone likes Plasma for having hundreds of useless, buggy features.
Gnome has a core featureset and a robust extension-system if you need more. There is no bloatware in Gnome. And please don’t tell me something like „Gnome isn’t usable without a taskbar/dock“. It is, lots of people use it that way, not every desktop needs to be like macOS or Windows.
Of course it’s okay to like another desktop environment more, but I just don’t get why Gnome gets so much hate.
I’ve used GNOME for a year now.
I don’t understand people calling GNOME keyboard-driven, it doesn’t even support keyboard shortcuts for more than 4 workspaces, and it doesn’t support tiling other than left and right.
I also feel like the plugin system is not great. The plugins break on every.single.update and you have to beg the maintainers to update them.
I agree about a dock/taskbar miss me with that :P
What frustrates me about GNOME is that it’s otherwise so well-polished and smooth but just refuses to be easily customizable.
That’s what I fucking hate about it, great extensions, couldn’t fucking settle on an API that doesn’t break every update. When will the gnome devs ever be content with themselves
there is no API, which is the problem. It’s just straight code injection. That’s why extensions can be so powerful. A stable API would compromise their freedom for sure
Okay then, I’m never gonna update gnome again I guess. The machine I use it on is for work, so I care about stability. Or should I have never chosen gnome in the first place?
I’m not sure that is a fair reaction. If your workflow relies heavily on many complex extensions that have a history of updating slow it is probably worth just… waiting a bit? You don’t HAVE to be on the bleeding edge of Gnome releases. With a fairly minimal extensions list I’ve not had problems updating to new releases for a long long time
That’s just the logical conclusion of continuing development. And even if the API stays the same, the shell might function differently, which could lead to extension bugs, therefore it is safer to break them all until the extension developer validates it for the new version.
You could of course force the internal stuff to be the same, but this would just stifle development and innovation.
In my opinion, if you can only use Gnome with extensions, you shouldn’t use it in the first place. Personally, I do have extensions, but they do so little that I don’t have a problem waiting a week or two until they update. Extensions don’t influence my workflow, they just are small quality of life adjustments (e.g. hiding the battery indicator when docked to my monitor and fully charged etc).
Use pop shell for tiling and keyboard shortcuts in gnome
I guess I should give it a try. But it feels like yet another extra layer on top of GNOME. High hopes for Cosmic DE!
Gnome is definitely keyboard driven, this is my workflow: Use
Super + type nameto launch apps, then tile them left and right withSuper + LeftandSuper + Right. Two apps are enough for a workspace, if you need more, move to a new workspace usingSuper + Alt + Right. Gnome automatically creates new workspaces as you go, so you always have enough space. Swap between apps usingSuper + Tab. Almost like a tiling window manager, right?The plugin system is indeed very good, extensions can do pretty much everything. They break on an update because it makes sense: The author designed the extension for a specific version of Gnome, and it can’t be guaranteed that it still works as intended on a newer version. You surely don’t want an outdated extension to really mess up your desktop when it hasn’t been properly updated. This is the safe way.
And regarding customization? Funny story: when I started with Linux and I wasn’t really into the meta yet, I started with KDE, but I switched to Gnome (GNOME 3.xx and GTK3) because I found it EASIER to customize. Gnome themes always looked way better than they looked on KDE and they were never bugged (e.g. missing contrast, wrong iconography). Also “extensions” were way less bugged than KDEs equivalent features. I only later found out that people preferred KDE because of its customization. However, I do agree that with Libadwaite, they really put an end to Gnome theming, but all in all, I think it’s better because of app uniformity and an easier app development process (you can really see the Gnome app ecosystem flourish). Also, Adwaita looks pretty amazing nowadays, I don’t really feel the urge to theme my desktop.
Heh, this is literally my workflow. I’ve been using gnome3 since release, and gnome2 before that.
They need to make the Audio switcher and gTile extensions part of “core” gnome, and then it would be perfect.
Do you mean an audio output/input switcher? Because they added one a few version ago.
What’s the keyboard shortcut for switching to workspace 5? There isn’t one. And you can’t configure one either. That just blows my mind
I have never felt the need to use more, also I mainly navigate with
Super + Alt + {Left,Right}.Though Gnome workspaces are not intended to be used like they are on a tiling window manager; you should just use the workspaces you need and dynamically create them and move apps. Assigning an app to workspace 10 that just stays there all day until you need it ist not the intended workflow.
Sure, but this is exactly my biggest problem with GNOME, it’s one specific workflow and anything that is even just slightly different is out of the box.
Don’t get me wrong I have many positive feelings about GNOME but they’ve recently been overtaken by the negative ones :P
nah i think gnome is great for touchpad navigation
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Gnome has a core featureset and a robust extension-system if you need more. There is no bloatware in Gnome.
Why is there noticeable delay tho when you open apps like Nautilus or Settings? Not even the terminal opens instantly
I don’t really know what you mean, I don’t have a delay when opening apps, at least not a noticable one. However, do keep in mind that Gnome isn’t really meant for slower hardware.
Running Manjaro Gnome on a thinkpad from 2020. This is the ootb experience for me
You are aware that Manjaro ships a heavily modified version of Gnome (lots of theming-stuff and extensions)? You should try vanilla Gnome (eg. on Fedora/Arch/VanillaOS) or try disabling everything.
Worth a try. However, the Debian Gnome my university offers has similar delays, so Gnome at least tends to get slow in the environments it normally gets used in. Based on obersavtion. I also don’t remember noticing those delays when I tried other flavors of Manjaro like i3
Is there any desktop OS that open apps instantly? Because I have never seen any, my phone definitely beats any of them.
(Tiling) window managers like i3, dwm or sway open apps instantly. If not, then this is mostly because the app you want to open is bloated/ too complex.
Why would they open them faster? They do the exact same shit. It takes a long time because the OS has to load every file into memory, and especially the first time things line the whole gtk library is loaded is taking its time.
That’s just my experience
I kinda had the opposite experience, switching from gnome to plasma for the more experimental features it supports on Wayland.
So far, plasma needs like a literal minute after logging in before any app can open.
That came with other weird issues, like alt-tabbing with a Fullscreen game being very finicky, sometimes refusing to alt-tab, and sometimes the taskbar breaks and stays frozen for most of the time, only unfreezing for a few seconds every minute or so.
I would sum up my experience as GNOME being more polished, working more consistently, while Plasma is perhaps better designed, more full-featured, including cases where GNOME is waiting on something to be implemented/standardized.
