cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/3320637
YouTube and Reddit are sued for allegedly enabling the racist mass shooting in Buffalo that left 10 dead::The complementary lawsuits claim that the massacre in 2022 was made possible by tech giants, a local gun shop, and the gunman’s parents.
One of the top subs on Reddit is literally called “master race” but if you call them out on it they say “it’s just a joke”.
im not particularly convinced that the shooter was acting in name of a pc gaming fan club
Don’t you know? PC stand for ‘People of non Color’ so r/pcmasterrace is super racist.
Well it is a meme stemming from a Zero Punctuation video on The Escapist’s YouTube Channel.
I don’t think it has anything to do with actual racism.
Riiight blame youtube and reddit. First music then videogames now youtube and reddit?
The difference between reddit/youtube and a video game is that a video game doesn’t have an algorithm that creates an echo chamber.
Social Medias want clicks, so they create echo chambers. Go watch one alt right video on YouTube and you will see them pop in your feeds
How far do you go, do you blame what he ate that day or lack of and was hangery? Just cause you get served videos from whatever source that doesn’t change it from just being what it is, information. If a psycho decides to do something with that information, he’s a psycho criminal. This is perfect to continue further censorship. Getting rid of echo chambers is impossible unless they get rid of the algos all together and people go back to building their own rss feeds but thats not gonna happen and even if all you craft is the same echo chamber what changes, nothing still a psycho. Hard to rationalize the irrational.
It’s a simple matter of normalizing.
I’m torn, on one hand, you are right. On the other, I will say that while we disagreed, my extended family used to get along. Enough time with social media and there’s basically people that can’t stand to talk to each other at all, let alone be in the same room. Folks that grew up together, spent decades hanging out. Same thing for a friend of mine that had been a friend for over a decade. Went down a rabbit hole and frothing at the mouth rage with all sorts of extremist talking points.
While direct responsibility is certainly tricky, social networks have allowed people’s worst inclinations to fester. The neat tendency for them to group “like-minded” folks together while guarding them from “unlike-minded” has really caused deep societal problems.
If it was simply serving videos, that would be fine.
The problem here is that the platform is trying to give you certain types of videos.
Even more than that: even though you try to avoid certain types of contents, youtube for example, will still give you that content.
And thats where the problem is. Because that content is often alt right speaking points that get served to you even though you don’t want it.
That’s the difference between a video game and a social media.
Don’t blame youtube and reddit directly.
But do blame their algorithms that fuel the fires for engagement.
Algorithms show you what you want. That’s literally what they’re designed to do. There is no difference between your algorithm and the shooter’s, or mine and the shooter’s, and I see 0 of the content he saw.
They are designed to filter out everything but what you interact with the most, and what you interact with the most is going to become skewed as it becomes a closed feedback loop, or a spiral if you will. Over many iterations, what it thinks you want shapes what you think you want.
It will also see what others who want what you want want, and serve you suggestions based on that. Likewise, it will serve what you want to others who want what you want.
At some point it becomes a self-feeding echo chamber, and that is exactly what we see happening.
What if I told you that you can search for and watch videos that aren’t part of your current algorithm, and also that’s how most people interact with the service
I blame the shooter. Motives are motives but he still pulls the trigger.
I think no one holds the shooter blameless, but that’s of more limited value. It’s straightforward to keep the shooter from doing further harm. More complicated is the task of mitigating the chances of radicalization leading to more spree shootings.
It doesn’t even necessarily have to involve limiting speech, but it does suggest that a social media feed really needs to mix it up and avoid a feedback loop of one sided thought and rage.
What if someone had repeatedly told him to do it? Wouldn’t that person also be to blame?
tech giants, a local gun shop, and the gunman’s parents.
Can’t help but feel like the last two have the lions share of the responsibility here… Especially the last one. If your kid goes on a killing spree, you did a fucking shit job of parenting.
Parents are a funny one… At a point I really don’t think you have control of your kid… they become their own person and their friends play a major influence in their life.
If they have good friends that are better than the parents that can be a good thing.
If they have bad friends that are worse than the parents, well that’s a bad thing.
You can say “well they never should’ve let them associate with those friends!” but I’m immediately suspicious of easy answers, and that’s as easy of an answer as they come.
I think a lot of us saw this in our teen years if we’re being honest. We typically tell ourselves stories that make only the good things cases of “self development” (oh that kid is so much better than his parents) but I’m sure it happens the other way. I don’t think all evil people can be blamed on evil (or even bad) parents (which is terrifying if you think about it).
Hell no, algorithms constantly pushing rage, lies, and instigating violence are causing immense harm all over the world. It’s about time tech giants paid for their disgusting algorithms constantly radicalizing the terminally online.
I don’t disagree completely. With YouTube, I’ve seen people go from normal people that you can have interesting conversations with, to doubting Covid existing, to having opinions about Hunter Biden and thinking Russia was right to invade Ukraine. Scary to see people go down hill like that, and not stupid people either. Anyone can fall victim to this.
But Reddit? It lets you find bubbles of racists and incels, sure, but it’s not doing the algorithm dance like YouTube does. It’s going to be a thin argument for a court case.
The hate was there way before the social media giants, they just group it all together in echo chambers. Before that we had IRC and normies had TV and tabloid newspapers. The hate will still be there when the last gen Z-er turns off TikTok for the last time. Not sure there’s any solution for it. Reduce inequality so people don’t feel constantly like they’ve got a fucked up life and it’s somebody else’s fault? Maybe don’t let kids who aren’t even old enough to drink have guns? Mental health awareness? But none of these are as enticing as “foreigners stole your jobs!”
Funding proper education for every citizen would be a good start.
Having hateful thoughts in your head and having hateful rhetoric spoonfed to you are 2 different things. There’s a reason why there is a surge in hate crimes and far-right rhetoric all over the world. It’s not a coincidence that it happened at the same time big tech gained full control of pretty much everyone’s information sources. IRC is not even remotely commonplace, TV print and radio don’t allow genocidal losers to spread their ideas since they can’t just make an account and post garbage.
As for reddit, how were they able to ban “watchpeopledie” and heavily censor the piracy subreddit? They 100% are responsible for not policing hate subs and allowing them to be easily accessible, they are also using an algorithm (that’s not as “polished” as YouTube’s but still exists and will most likely get worse as they cement full control over their platform’s users).
The solution is to induce financial penalty on these companies that makes it more expensive than the ad revenue they receive from such shitty algorithms. Which is exactly how the piracy subreddit was gutted so much, reddit risks financial harm from legal battles for hosting that content. It is not much different to do the same for hateful rhetoric advocating for murder.
There will always be somebody spoonfeeding it, because there will always be people who want to hear it. From Oswald Mosely, through The Daily Mail, Fox News, hate preachers of all denominations… Often for the same pure simple profit that the social media giants are after rather than ideological hatred.
I’d love to see social media destroyed because it contributes literally nothing to society and makes it worse, but I don’t believe for a second that a US court would hand down a fine that would be more than the cost of actually policing their own platform. I’m not sure any political party would try to make them, because it’s quite apparent that social media platforms have enough sway to throw elections one way or the other. Especially in the US where it hangs on a knife edge anyway. I also don’t think reddit is remotely mainstream enough swing global opinions to the right. That’s the domain of Facebook and Twitter.
From Oswald Mosely, through The Daily Mail, Fox News, hate preachers of all denominations…
Again, not as far reaching, effective, or insidious. Fox news also had to pay dominion voting systems for lying and spreading election fraud propaganda.
Often for the same pure simple profit that the social media giants are after rather than ideological hatred
Highly doubtful
I don’t believe for a second that a US court would hand down a fine
This is a civil suit
I also don’t think reddit is remotely mainstream enough swing global opinions to the right
So? It’s one of many pieces, not the only piece. It’s also the largest site of its kind.
This is “video games cause school shootings” with extra steps
If you look at anything even remotely related to “men’s interests” YouTube will begin showing you alt right fascist bull shit.
Seriously. I spend a little too much time watching a short that is clearly designed to get me worked up about stereotypical communication difficulties between men & women from a “women, am I rite?” perspective, suddenly I’m getting Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan. I spend a little too much time watching a video about certain Ukrainian war equipment or a Slo Mo Guys video involving guns (wood stock hunting guns, I felt like it was the early 80s all over again before everyone decided they needed assault weapons), suddenly I’m getting served tacticool idiots with kitted-out murder machines. Or I watch a Bart Erhman video (secular New Testament scholar with a large lay audience) and suddenly I get served muslim da’wah/apologetics videos and Catholic catechism ads.
Lots of stupid, emotionally driven teenagers on the platform who think their opinion is reality, so you have a lot of Tate/Peterson/Rogan riders on the platform. Add in the fact ‘controversial’ (blatantly wrong or insane) content gets lots of comments/engagement, so it is pushed by the algorithm. Then there are just lots of idiots in general who don’t want to consider self-reflection or change their vies, so they will eat up all the ideology that shifts the blame or gives them a chance to ‘get to the top.’ They are victims of modern society. But somehow see every ‘problem’ except for the real one, the one of neoliberal ideologies around capitalism and individualism.
I just wish that I could watch (intentionally or accidentally) a slightly hot-take video once in a blue moon without the algorithm deciding I’m a right-wing nutjob that only wants right-wing nutjob content. How hard would it be to allow users to give active input on what they’re getting? Right now, anything I do (downvoting, “don’t recommend this channel”, reporting hate speech) gives me MORE of the shit I hate.
I watch a lot of model trains stuff, I don’t get alt-right fascist stuff. At worst I get shit like ShoeOnHead who seems reasonable enough.
She is an anti-feminist and basically alt right entry point.
No? Have you ever watched her, or did you just see out of context clips?
Unless by antifeminist and alt right, you mean disagree with stalin, and isnt a women supremacist.
Guessing from the witch in your username, you’re just upset shes doesn’t think women are superior.
Everytown Law is about to get a lesson on how Section 230 works.
I don’t really know what their goal is here. Surely they’re not stupid enough to think they could actually win this?
Pretty sure SCOTUS has a case they’re hearing currently that may very well change the scope of section 230 so I’d maybe reserve your quips until after that shakes out lol
Ah, to be based on selective history and tradition.
Big tech says no.
The two big cases this year were already decided: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter,_Inc._v._Taamneh and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalez_v._Google_LLC
Although both dodged the S230 claims, both made it clear that Twitter and Google, respectively, had no liability.
Is there another case I missed?
spoiler
sadfasfasdfsa
This isn’t the first time they’ve forgotten how various laws work. And they keep losing. Kinda makes you wonder if it’s intentional or not.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
YouTube, Reddit and a body armor manufacturer were among the businesses that helped enable the gunman who killed 10 Black people in a racist attack at a Buffalo, New York, supermarket, according to a pair of lawsuits announced Wednesday.
The complementary lawsuits filed by Everytown Law in state court in Buffalo claim that the massacre at Tops supermarket in May 2022 was made possible by a host of companies and individuals, from tech giants to a local gun shop to the gunman’s parents.
The lawsuit claims Mean LLC manufactured an easily removable gun lock, offering a way to circumvent New York laws prohibiting assault weapons and large-capacity magazines.
YouTube, named with parent companies Alphabet Inc. and Google, is accused of contributing to the gunman’s radicalization and helping him acquire information to plan the attack.
“We aim to change the corporate and individual calculus so that every company and every parent recognizes they have a role to play in preventing future gun violence,” said Eric Tirschwell, executive director of Everytown Law.
Last month, victims’ relatives filed a lawsuit claiming tech and social media giants such as Facebook, Amazon and Google bear responsibility for radicalizing Gendron.
The original article contains 592 words, the summary contains 192 words. Saved 68%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
deleted by creator
Stop blaming websites for crazy people doing crazy things.
When the Joker movie came out in 2019, everyone on CNN was saying it was going to cause mass shootings, because of that one lunatic that shot up a movie theater during a screening of “the dark knight”
The idiots who write the material for the talking heads just want to stir things up so they can get eyeballs on the screen.
I bet the outlets that were giving live coverage of the shooting showed ads every 5 minutes…like they did with that one really bad shooting.
🤔 so if gun violence is a problem… and they’ve already banned violence… what if one would ban the other thing - oh wait no it’s definitely the goofy gamer machinimas 🤭 stop giggling y’all, this is serious. you don’t wanna turn into criminals
Are you suggesting “banning guns”? If so, genuine curiosity, how would you go about doing it?
I guess a good start would be document gun holders digitally and not on a pile of paper where nobody finds anything and has water damage. Another approach would be not having guns sold in the supermarket. Furthermore, you could ban ads for guns and make it very hard to buy heavy stuff used only in war zone. And lastly restrict who and how weapons are allowed to be transported on man. Of course, one has to have a valid reason to have a weapon on them. Going shopping with a gun out of fear is mot a reason.
First we have to stop bringing new weapons to people, than we can think about collecting
I’m Swiss, we have nearly as many private weapons per household as Americans have, but we have way less shootings, all the things above apply here and I think it kinda works.
TIL they show ads for guns. What exactly do they advertise?
Well that is one thing I’m not 100% sure, but NRA 100% does political pro gun ads on TV (and most likely precisely targeted in social media) I just assumed there are normal gun ads since, well, it’s America.
https://youtu.be/ks2_wY7f-MM?si=SWzCvmHLKdys7jFt
Just skipped through that and it seems most tv networks refuse gun ads, but it seems not illegal by law to show gun ads on tv.
Nearly all of your suggestions are already part of New York state law.
Exceptions:
No registration required for non-“assault weapon” long guns.
Of course, one has to have a valid reason to have a weapon on them. Going shopping with a gun out of fear is mot a reason.
Open carry in New York is not legal. Concealed carry requires a license. I believe that requiring a reason to carry for obtaining a license to carry was recently ruled unconstitutional. I don’t know whether you can legally require a reason for the act of carrying the gun.
It seems like New York goes in the right direction then, nice to see! I bet one sees the difference in the statistics for gun violence compared to other states of America. Umm, is NY a state or a city or both? 😂 not so sure right now
Umm, is NY a state or a city or both?
Both.
I bet one sees the difference in the statistics for gun violence compared to other states of America.
New York state’s murder rate and firearm murder rate both rank in the second quartile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state#2019_data
If you order by “Murder Rate (per 100,000) (2019)”
Do the states with less murders per 100,000 than New York have more strict gun rules? (In case you happen to know that)
Everytown only ranks California higher than New York.
https://everytownresearch.org/rankings/
This is an overview of gun laws in different states:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state
The same way we banned private ownership of nuclear missiles.
Yeah that was crazy when they had to go around and confiscate all those nuclear missiles from millions of American households.
God, please don’t give the GOP any ideas, the last thing we need is nuclear proliferation among Trumpers.
Could ask Australia
I would copy-paste what already worked in Australia, which used to have similar gun rights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0aGGOK4kAM
They banned violence. Clearly banning things is effective. It worked when they banned drugs. And 100 years ago when they banned alcohol. And there’s definitely no sex workers because prostitution is banned.
Yet somehow, the bans on hand grenades, landmines and giant bags of anfo have worked. It’s almost like it’s easier to control the production of weapons and dangerous goods than plants and sex.
Gun control works the world over.
ANFO isn’t banned, people use it all the time.
I am using the pro-gun community definition of the word “banned” that means “not actually banned, just regulated”.
You can also buy hand grenades with the appropriate permits and background checks. You know, just like guns in almost every other country where the pro-gun community insists they’re “banned”.
You know, just like guns in almost every other country where the pro-gun community insists they’re “banned”.
Why don’t you walk us through the process of legally acquiring a handgun in the U.K.?
Why don’t you walk us through the process of legally acquiring a brand new, new full-auto rifle in America?
You can’t? Oh shit, guns must be banned in America.
The reality is that before you started your little pro-gun death cult, America routinely made risk vs reward judgements on firearms, no different than the UK did when they decided the murder weapon of choice for criminals and men who can’t control their emotions doesn’t have a place in modern society.
Anyway, talk next time there’s horrific violence that makes international headlines. Do you think it’s going to be from America or the UK?
Why don’t you walk us through the process of legally acquiring a brand new, new full-auto rifle in America? You can’t? Oh shit, guns must be banned in America.
Machine guns are legal in only 37 states. You can’t get a machine gun quickly or cheaply, but it isn’t difficult.
How to Purchase a Machine Gun as an FFL:
- Get your FFL and become an SOT.
- Either make your machine gun or purchase a machine gun (depends on the type of FFL you get).
- If you made it, submit an ATF Form 2 after it is made (no pre-approval required!). If you bought it, you must have an ATF Form 3 approved first (it should take less than 6 weeks and, you don’t have to pay a transfer tax)
The reality is that before you started your little pro-gun death cult
I don’t know what you’re talking about.
I don’t think I mentioned guns at all. If you assume banning guns would be equally ineffective I can’t say I disagree, but that’s a conclusion you came to.
Bad news…tons of people want to ban guns thinking it’ll stop the violence…
People want to regulate guns, not ban them. If a supply is reduced and people lock up the guns they do have rather than leaving them to be easily stolen, they’re less likely to be used in violence. That means when people are violent, they’re more likely to use a knife or other weapon that’s more convenient to access. When a knife is used, it’s highly unlikely that bystanders will also be killed. Also, it’s less likely that the victim themselves will die. And if you think you don’t care about the life of another person involved in violence, think selfishly about the cost that you’re paying in hospital costs and medical insurance to treat gun woulds of the people who die and can’t pay their bill which cost way, way more to treat than knife wounds. Not to mention that if you care at all about the lives of cops, you’ll realize that cops are usually the bystanders that get killed by the guns being used in violent acts.
The only guns that people want to ban are offensive weapons of war. The only thing they can do with that is commit terrorism.
People want to regulate guns, not ban them.
That’s some bullshit. The end goal is complete disarming of the public. Stop fooling yourself.
If a supply is reduced and people lock up the guns they do have rather than leaving them to be easily stolen, they’re less likely to be used in violence
Straw purchases are how the majority of firearms used in crime are obtained, not from theft.
That means when people are violent, they’re more likely to use a knife or other weapon that’s more convenient to access. When a knife is used, it’s highly unlikely that bystanders will also be killed.
Yes tell that to all the people who are killed by knives. Which is 3xs higher than all rifles combined. Which you clearly want to ban…that black plastic rifle you think is a weapon of war, kills around 50-100 people a year. Hands and feet kill 2xs all rifles combined and about 15xs more than the AR-15 yearly.
Also, it’s less likely that the victim themselves will die.
This is just nonsense…see above.
And if you think you don’t care about the life of another person involved in violence, think selfishly about the cost that you’re paying in hospital costs and medical insurance to treat gun woulds of the people who die and can’t pay their bill which cost way, way more to treat than knife wounds. Not to mention that if you care at all about the lives of cops, you’ll realize that cops are usually the bystanders that get killed by the guns being used in violent acts.
First, I’m all for single payer healthcare, secondly, cops kill on average around 1k Americans a year…yea… I’m not worried about the boots…
The only guns that people want to ban are offensive weapons of war. The only thing they can do with that is commit terrorism.
Lol handguns are used in 95% of all gun violence…and it’s like 99% of all suicides. That black scary rifle is a rounding error on firearm deaths…and it’s not a weapon of war, it’s a semi-auto rifle dressed up in plastic…the military wouldn’t be caught dead with one of them.
You totally missed every point I made and replied with, no they’re not rather than offering any evidence. Show me that the majority are pushing to ban all guns 100%. Straw purchases are already illegal but unenforced, can’t do much when cops refuse to do their job. I didn’t say people don’t die from knives, but a stab isn’t going to kill a random person on the street accidentally like a stray bullet. And there’s a huge difference between a knife wound and a bullet wound that makes it much easier to treat. And the knife doesn’t break apart, shredding nearby organs, rarely breaks larger bones, or in the case of supersonic rounds from the mentioned weapons of war, cause compression shockwaves that pulverize organs. If you haven’t spent time in combat or an ER or around gunshot wounds, you have no idea. I’ve seen organ soup after a close range stomach wound from a high powered rifle. And I don’t care that handguns are the most common. They’re also the most commonly used for defense. It’s the high powered ruffles that liquify your organs when used in drive-by shootings that have no reason to be in the hands of civilians in the first place.
If you’re going to argue for a cause, then at least know what the people on the other side are saying. Quit making up straw men and arguing slippery slope nonsense.
Noone is saying ban guns. People are saying we should have more thorough background checks, mandatory training, and close gun show loop holes. No, banning things doesn’t completely solve the issue. But putting obstacles in the way generally stop most crimes. Of course there will still be people who go above and beyond to commit a crime, but with the number of shootings drastically lowered you can start to address the rest more easily.
Ever wonder why no one is walking about with their own personal bazooka?
So you would legalize kiddie porn because it still exists?
No I’d kill the people that made it. There’s a difference.
Yeah but you’re pro-gun, so it’s not surprising that you’re always on the look out for someone you can get away with murdering.
I am all for this
They should sue Facebook too. Facebook is rife with Nazis. And they’re fine with it.
Considering the Facebook algorithm will introduce you to neo-nazis, that would actually make sense.
Facebook says this guy’s face is fine: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100086229708504&mibextid=ZbWKwL
Dude looks like he passed out way too early at a frat party hosted by the Klan.
He’s allowed to be racist, so yeah, it’s fine.
Being a racist piece of shit is not illegal.
Have the been any legal cases on these algorithms?
Good! They should. Facebook’s algorithm supports Nazis.
I’ll take you at your word.
This lawsuite is ridiculous. You should hold the shooter liable for there actions. Not reddit, the gun shop or anyone else.
deleted by creator
You can however, blame the policies that helped turn the shooter into what he is.
Like an actual common sense gun law that doesn’t sell guns to mentally ill people.
If the gun shop knew he was I’ll they wouldn’t of sold him the gun
Is that how you tell if someone is mentally ill? Just sell them a gun and see if they take it?
You don’t that’s why its silly they are liable
Oh, god, please, yes!!! Turn all gun shops into honey pots—folks can really run with this idea.
Yeah, we need to implement some kind of system that stores mentally ill people! And then make gun shops call them before every sale!
deleted by creator
How’s that been working out?
Not well with silly lawsuites like these.
Or, I don’t know, ban guns.
As a European, it’s amazing to see how many (probably) US citizens cling to their guns and downvote every single comment suggesting it might make sense to ban them. Like, dude, what do you need a glock for? Like seriously?
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
Reddit enables more than just racist, it’s a nasty cesspool the like of 4chan, riddled with bots, the CEO himself is a POS.
removed by mod
… I mean you’re preaching to the choir.
It’s a fucked up website but if you think it’s remotely as bad as 4chan then I’ve assumed you’ve never been to /pol/. Reddit doesn’t allow the n word.
deleted by creator
It’s literally rule 1…
Rule 1 Remember the human. Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging, not for attacking marginalized or vulnerable groups of people. Everyone has a right to use Reddit free of harassment, bullying, and threats of violence. Communities and users that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
lol even mods don’t follow rules on reddit and there are private subs where people do whatever the hell they want.
users are still toxic
Yes, but the site does not promote those, unlike in 4chan
Go to r/4chan or r/Greentext, it’s all over the comment sections there
deleted by creator
Not sure what subs you’re on but I can’t remember the last time I saw that word outside of the r/4chan mod bot saying the comment was removed for it and they were quarantined.
Considering I got permabanned for saying if we wanted to find out if the brazen bull was a real thing we could test it on child molesters the rule is very much enforced. That’s way less bad than the nword.
I went on /pol and did Ctrl f + n word, got 7 results. Can’t say reddit is even slightly that bad. I’m sure it still gets said, but it’s very much looked down upon. Where in 4chan it’s just a normal word, and so is the f slur.
just a normal word
how and why
._.
and they make fun of reddit when they’re not the right people to make fun of reddit
Agreed. Spez’s support of The_Donald was the beginning of the end (although as he was a mod of jailbait before it was banned, it was clear that Trump wasn’t the genesis of Spez’s sickness), and now there’s nothing left of the communities that made it great. There’s hasn’t been anything rewarding about contributing there since about 2014.
Everyone was responsible except the shooter. Welcome to Lawyer World.
Liability is nuanced, ya doughnut.
It’s almost like the world exists outside of a third grade understanding man woman toaster TV.
And there is no liability here, ya bagel
There is tho.
Shootings do not happen in a vacuum. They happen due to external factors such as political or religious radicalization or “just” bullying. This does not absolve the shooter of the responsibility of course since the response to, let’s say, the Great Replacement Theory lies in the hands of the shooter. The shooter could have not shot non-white people.
But then we have the people spreading the Great Replacement Theory. The people that tell their audience day in and day out that if they are not careful, there may be no whites anymore. If you keep hearing this or other racist shit day in and day out for many many many years and do not trust another source of information because the same people tell you that the other media is corrupt… You’re bound to turn “crazy” one way or another.
There’s probably even more nuance but my point is: We really shouldn’t let the people turning responsible gun owners into shooters through propaganda just get away with it, should we?
Especially in the right wing where this is a known tactic. They radicalize people and if something goes awry, they just disavow it. The right wing pundits disavowed the Jan 6 rioters they themselves “inspired” to fight for democracy. They disavowed the Club Q shooter they themselves “warned” about trans people.
It’s obviously not the shooter’s fault. The gun is 100% responsible.