This exists?! Oh my That’s not just mildly, it’s really interesting!
This is an exclusive neighborhood where only environmentalist TikTok influencers live /s
Lol
They are somewhat common-ish if you know where to look. I fly by one a lot!
Indeed, one of our regional airports has housing with taxi ways to the runway as well. Instead of garages for cars they have hangers for the planes and cars.
I see!
But I don’t see any planes or hangars there or in OPs image?
Residential hangers just look like big garages.
Bottom right of ops image (I also see one other plane a few drives up)
Look for shed like things that connect to taxiways. They aren’t huge and don’t need to be if the aircraft is smol.
These exist all across the country! Here’s a fun fact, the street signs are all 2 feet tall in these neighborhoods so that even low-wing airplanes can make turns around corners that have signs without risk of completely destroying their plane.
Oooh, cool!
There are thousands of them.
Yup, John Travolta had and maybe still has a house like this to park his Boeing 707.
We will eat them first.
These people are rich, but they’re not the wealthy. These are your doctor types, not your billionaires. Doctors are paid well for sure, but they should be paid well.
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How dare you pay people who spent years at university and save people’s lives daily well
Yeah, exactly. Fight the good fight, but know your enemy. Your enemy is not your doctor.
when was the last time you’ve actually spoken to a human being in person not counting your family?
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Idk, I would not go with “I am a doctor so I deserve money with which I can live a live that seems so unhinged to the median income earner that I not only can allow to have a big car with which probably only one human at a time is driving, no, I also have a plane whith which probably only me is flaying at once and I have access to my own airfield”. They would still be on my menu right after the billionaires
That depends on the doctor. Not all are paid the same. Plastic surgeons get paid huge dollars for a lot of frivolous work. I’m with you there. But a brain surgeon or a heart surgeon… They deserve the big bucks. I don’t care at all that they can afford a German car and a small general aviation plane. I care more about the working class not being able to afford a decent new car and the billionaire that has to decide which super car to drive that day.
A lot of people hear or read “plane” and assume like a million dollars. You can quite literally buy a single prop piston engine small plane for less than $100k USD. Yearly cost to maintain can be as little as a few thousand if flights hours are low.
But, that’s $100k for a hobby.
Like, you’re almost certainly not using that plane to commute. You may use it instead of buying a commercial plane ticket when you go on vacation somewhere, but that’s not saving you any money, it’s likely costing you significantly more in storage fees, etc.
People who own planes aren’t billionaire-rich necessarily, but they’re still people who can afford hobbies that cost $100k.
The aircraft hold their value, and actually appreciate. The actual cost is about $10k a year. Lots of people spend far more than that on other hobbies.
Over half of all pilots in the US (200k) hold a commercial pilot certificate and use flying as their sole source of income or as a way to supplement their income. Commercial pilots makes $50k a year until they can become airline pilots which have salaries starting at $100k.
Of course they’re not using it to commute daily. You even pointed out in your first sentence: It’s a hobby.
Someone else in this thread also mentions that many small aircraft have multiple “owners” who share it. Just like timeshare vacation property. Everyone who is part in it, shares the cost of maintenance. This makes it even cheaper. This counters your statement of:
that’s not saving you any money, it’s likely costing you significantly more in storage fees, etc.
It can in fact be cheaper going this route.
People who live in a community where you can store your airplane in a garage and then commute from your garage to the runway aren’t going to partially own a plane. What would be the point in having that kind of a property but not being able to use it because you only got to see your plane one week per month?
Not every private pilot has a $100k hobby, but anybody who buys a house with a taxiway going up to it almost certainly owns their own plane, and their hobby is not cheap.
People who live in a community where you can store your airplane in a garage and then commute from your garage to the runway aren’t going to partially own a plane.
That’s where you’d be wrong. Many are shared. Just because one of the owners lives beside the runway doesn’t mean it’s solely theirs. I’m not the only one to say this. https://lemmy.world/comment/3346098
What would be the point in having that kind of a property but not being able to use it because you only got to see your plane one week per month?
Save money first and foremost. It’s a win-win situation for all parties involved. And one week per month is a lot of time. You don’t know what the arrangement is for those involved. The time share could be wildly different depending on each pilots desires.
They are multimillionaires but not the private jet money wealthy types.
You can get a Cessna 172 or even some nice Mooneys for around $50k. Unlike cars, even really old ones are kept in good running order because parts time out and have to be regularly maintained. Even if you want to buy a newer plane, a lot of people in GA use fractional ownership. That $200k newish Cirrus SR22 is fairly likely owned by 4 people splitting the bill. GA isn’t cheap by any measure, but it also isn’t exclusively for the wealthy. Upper middle class can get into it without too much issue. The people we should be raising everyone to, not tearing down.
We should not be encouraging anyone to fly private though. Getting a plane off the ground has a large impact on the environment.
A Rutan Long EZ running autogas has a better environmental footprint than a Prius and is more than twice as fast
Source for that claim please?
GA is not just private jets.
My 1961 plane burns 25mpg, carries 4 people, and goes 160mph. I own a car that gets worse fuel economy.
Also, many of those planes are timeshared. Most of the people I know in those places share a plane with several other people or have small kit planes they built.
My wife’s grandparents used to live in a sky park like that. Right before the birth of my second child I was laid off and my wife was doing her student teaching. Suddenly in a rough situation with no income. Her grandparents came to visit for Christmas and their way of commiserating with us was to say, “I know how it is; we just had to sell our second airplane…” No irony, not joking. They honestly felt that losing one of their airplanes was equitable to losing a job with 2 babies in the house. It’s ok though, I came out on top. I have a job now and they’re both dead.
Ya but how many airplanes do you have?
I have a model of an F-14 I made as a kid, Microsoft flight sim and a 15 year old flight stick. Does that count? Full disclosure, the F-14 is missing a vertical stabilizer now.
Not really the same “rich” that need to be eaten…
Oh, my bad. Nevermind ♡
“honey, Joe’s wife is sick, can you take care of control tower duty today?”
Tower duty? Where we are going, we don’t need towers.
These little strips don’t use a tower. Pilots communicate with each other on unicom.
A private (meaning, non-public) field like this one probably uses the multicom frequency, but yes. Self-announce on the CTAF. Irks me a bit there aren’t runway numbers.
Why do they need numbers? There’s only one runway.
A runway with two ends. And you’d probably be surprised how easy it is to choose one end when you mean another.
Also to identify it from the air as a runway. It’s paved and they painted a centerline; I would have also painted numbers and thresholds.
Gives you a rough magnetic heading so you can line up easier and keep your pattern straight. Also to tell others which way you’re going to keep from crashing head-on (a north/south strip might be 36/18, for example, so ppl know which way you’re going).
unicom
First thing I thought of reading on this tiny screen: 🦄
We need a community for keming.
No, you read it right, UNICOM
Or UNIversal COMmunications
Also known as CTAF, or
Common Traffic Advisory Frequency.
Basically the frequency you use when you’re in uncontrolled airspace.
They read it as unicor n hence the emoji.
Little known fact. Airplanes still use leaded fuel. I’ll bet that the blood levels for all of these families are elevated. Not a great place to raise a kid.
Disgusting.
Yep, and the FAA is taking it’s sweet time to approve a new unleaded fuel for general aviation that shows a lot of promise called G100UL. It’s estimated it could take another 6-9 years. Otherwise it’s currently only approved for specific planes and not available at most airports and aerodromes.
It’s approved as of last fall, but the FAA spent well over a decade stonewalling it with unnecessary bureaucracy.
Now we’re left with the chicken-and-egg problem of the market, where nobody will offer unleaded because it’s more expensive, but it’s expensive because it’s not widely used. The feds should subsidize it down to $4/gal for 5 years to get it off the ground.
Clarification: Only piston aircraft require leaded fuel. Which is unfortunately a pretty big part of the general aviation market, but similarly sized turboprops do also exist (though are more expensive) and it doesn’t apply to modern commercial aviation at all.
There is an increasing number of piston aircraft that have Diesel engines, and run on jet fuel.
Further clarification: Only gasoline powered aircraft without the Auto Fuel STC require leaded fuel.
Although, there is an initiative underway to fully phase out leaded avgas. G100UL is the FAA approved formulation. Exciting time and long overdue.
No, G100UL is still going through the FAA approval process. But it’s been approved for many specific engines already, but the majority still aren’t allowed to use it. For a full FAA approval we could be waiting another 6-9 years.
The Next big problem is availability, which will only come with time. There are only a few airfields around that stock the fuel. (And from what I can tell… none that are here in Australia)
“FAA approved STCs for the use of G100UL in all general aviation piston airplanes in September 2022”
https://www.avweb.com/ownership/fuel-news/gami-begins-g100ul-stc-sales/
Interesting, now I guess we need general availability and maybe a ban on leaded fuels. Still gonna take some number of years before that happens, especially given the vast majority of oil companies don’t really care all that much.
Also now the FAA approved it, we just need every other agency in every other country to also approve it, should be a lot easier to do so now the FAA has and has the test data to offer.
Except republicans are seriously trying to require that all airports that receive federal funding to still offer leaded gas. For reasons.
There are also some plans in the works to fully end leaded avgas in the 2030s.
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That’s a lot leaded fuel to be inhaling everyday.
Just don’t go outside eZ
Ofc it’s in the Midwest
http://www.casadeaero.net/text/about.php
Many pilots do this as a means of reducing the costs associated with operating out of areas with high hangar and service costs. This is Northwest of Chicago near Rockford. The about page explains a lot of the obvious questions.
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing.
lmao wow, how fascinating. when you think you saw it all…
Where the hell am I supposed to put my boat?
At your summer house
Or better still, skip the airpark and get a lake front property with a seaplane and a boat.
Here’s a nice big one just south of Daytona Beach
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.0625058,-81.0461691,1579a,35y,359.1h,44.09t/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu
Here’s one I was thinking of near Ocala, FL, I believe John Travolta has/had a place there:
29.2747779, -82.1204260
And another one in Yucca Valley, CA:
34.1289163, -116.4077455
Whoa. That area has things that look like roads, but are extended taxiways from the homes to the runway. For the early-alphabet taxiways there’s a clear distinction between the public roads and the taxiways. The roads end in dead-ends before the runways, and the taxiways end in dead-ends before the roads.
But, when you get to taxiway echo, it actually crosses Spruce Creek Blvd. So, you could be slowing down to a stop sign, only to see a plane taxi across the road in front of you. I wonder how often cars end up on that taxiway by accident.
Half a million per house isn’t really that bad considering it’s on an airport and you get a hangar
Yeah, but there’s an HOA. :/
Well for the airport cost, right?
I guess it works as a pilot neighborhood but Rich people would never want to live in such an obvious place. Makes them too easy to eat.
Hoskins Field in Washington is like this, but more trees and turf.
This is like looking at a yet to be made Tom Scott video.
He already did make a video on it lol
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Are you sure? I’ve seen a video about this community, but I don’t think it was Tom Scott. Couldn’t find it on his channel.
Wow, I’m actually pretty sure I’m wrong on this. I’m just now checking on my lunch break but I can’t find it. I know I saw a video about this (or a very similar) community following specifically one man who has a hanger house. Swore it was Tom Scott but, I just can’t find it… Don’t tell me I hallucinated it lol
I also couldn’t find it
Tom scott has made a video on everything, including this very thread.
[INTRO]
Tom Scott (with his characteristic enthusiasm): “Hello, lovely internet denizens! Today, we find ourselves in a comment thread, delightfully jesting about my propensity to dive into the oddest corners of knowledge. From the physics of shoelaces to the mysteries of quantum buttered toast, we’ve covered it all!”
[SMILE AND NOD]
Tom Scott: “Now, I can already predict a few of the replies that might pop up here. ‘Tom, why not delve into the intricacies of a potato chip next?’ Well, who knows, that might just be on the horizon! And yes, someone will undoubtedly ask about the physics of a cat’s purr. It’s been on the list for a while, folks!”
[CONFIDENT NOD]
Tom Scott: “But you know what they say, the quest for knowledge knows no bounds! So, let’s keep the laughter rolling and the curiosity burning. What’s next, you ask? Well, that’s anyone’s guess! Stay tuned, stay curious, and let’s keep this adventure going!”
[OUTRO]
Tom Scott (looking bemusedly at his busily buzzing phone): “Well, it seems the replies are pouring in already! I might be here for a while trying to keep up with all your brilliant comments. But hey, that’s the joy of it, isn’t it? The learning never stops! Keep those questions and suggestions coming, and I’ll do my best to tackle them in the videos to come.”
[TOM SCOTT SMILES AT THE CAMERA]
This is missing the vaguely European expert in his field.
[Hard cut to specialist]
[Overlay with a Scandinavian name and the title, “Expert in online discussions”]
“Mange tror at internetdiskussioner er sunde. Det er et indtryk vi har arbejdet mange år på at kultivere så vi kan påvirke folks meninger uden at blive opdaget i det. Vi fik blandt andet Tom til at lave denne video blot for at få mig med i den!”
[Cut back to Tom]
Very true, even the 99% global human population reduction of 2025 he’s already recorded and got ready to go
Are we doing that? I just paid off my car loan.
We actually have one of these in Dayton, Nevada. Half hour away from Carson City, hour from Reno, not much to speak of at all in the town really (other than some historical interests) but there’s an entire subdivision with a golf course and a small airfield and “hangar homes”.
