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Really apple? And they did all that mother nature bullshit with octavia spencer while it was europe who forced them to use a universal connector and stop polluting the world with useless pathetic cables
So, how do you sell this to a regular user? We’re probably getting new phones in this round and I want the Pro but still trying to sell that choice. My kid’s Mom has never used the data connector so how can I sell her on that as one of the features she wants?
Note on our weird situation but we have two teens and our pattern is to buy new, and give our 2-4 year old phones to the kids. For this to work, we really need to have identical phone models
I feel like not many people actually use the data port on their phones anymore, I know I haven’t used my android USB port for anything other than fast charging for I feel like 10 years. Do you even use the data connector on your phone?
I use it. I plug my phone into a dock and use it in desktop mode on occasion. I actually have an old phone running an FTP server with an external hard drive connected.
Guess you’ll have to change bubble colors.
Relegated? The iPhone has always had USB 2.0 speeds…
That has been trash for pretty much a decade at this point
I can’t remember the last time I plugged my phone to transfer data.
So your argument is unless you have sex no one needs an organ for it?
More to the point USB can be used for so much more than just data transfer. I know Apple hasn’t provided you folk with any option like those and it’s a “revolutionary and brave move” waiting to happen 5-10 years after everyone else… but my phone has HDMI out, USB hub which has keyboard, mouse and external drive connected. You know, you can charge your phone and do work and use your device?
Wow, that seems kind of cool actually.
I wonder if a phone could replace a ThinkPad? I mean it’d probably be sluggish but maybe okay to use?
A link to that dock station thingy of yours?
It’s a simply USB C hub with HDMI, LAN, memory card reader, etc. It can charge your device while providing HDMI output and the rest of desktop experience. Nothing too special, VAVA VA-UC006
Simple and elegant, thanks for the link!
Gotta get one of those Linux telephones now (so I can be disappointed I guess 😅), always having your PC with you would be so swell.
You are welcome. There are pocket sized PCs out there running both Linux and Windows. Right now this works for me. :)
That’s not the only reason for fast I/O though. Yeah it’s convenient for a quick transfer/backup of large files but there’s also the ability to use peripherals that require higher rates. USB3 has been around since 2008 so it’s not really unreasonable to expect a modern phone to support a spec that’s over a decade old…
Okay and? I transferred an album to my phone via USB two days ago. Your experiences are not the same as others’.
I too haven’t plugged my phone in to transfer anything since the 6s, obviously there are people who do like yourself and Apple limiting transfer speeds is ridiculous but the majority of people are basically using the cable for charging, I don’t have data to prove it but anecdotally I’d bet I’m right
They shouldn’t have capped the speeds but I highly doubt this will be an issue that the average person cares about
Seriously… the number of people plugging their phones in to transfer anything to/from an iPhone is in the single digit percentages, if that.
How can you possibly know that without any extensive research?
I work with Apple products all day and work with people using them every day. I can’t remember when we had someone who actually plugged in their phone to do anything other than charge. My company has been working with iPhone users every day for years so we’re talking thousands of people. I have a pretty good sample size and would say that our work basically amounts to extensive research.
Also, just look at the responses here and otherwise. Even the number of people that still demand a headphone jack is limited to techies and less-than-single-digit percentages.
The downvoted here are insane. Just Android fanboys trying to dunk on iPhones for a reason no iPhone user cares about at all. I agree 100%. No one buying the non-pros plugs in for data transfer anymore.
I know. It’s ok. I have a MagSafe charger on my nightstand and sync everything else to iCloud, Google Drive, and a NAS, depending on the need. There is literally no reason for me to ever plug this thing in.
I can plug in one cable into my device (S21 Ultra) which will allow me to charge at 45W and use a desktop interface with a separate mouse, keyboard, and monitor, all at the same time.
2 decades. Their previous proprietary monster was just as bad.
The fact that the Pro (or any device) supports a newer USB protocol doesn’t necessarily mean that it will be able to take advantage of the full speed. It might just be as slow as the non Pro with USB 2.0.
The pro can stream a 4k60 ProRes video to an external drive via the usbc port. Idk what kind of bandwidth that uses. But should give some clue as to the actual speed capable with the port.
Also, onboard storage is limited to 4k30 ProRes, possibly indicating the speed of built in storage.
iPhone 15 Pro tech specs page: “USB 3 (up to 10Gb/s)” with a footnote that says “USB 3 cable with 10Gb/s speed required.”
A regular need for high-speed data transfers are legitimately a pro use case. You need the Pro model and you need to buy a thick, stiff high-speed cable.
I’m pretty certain that the USB IF decided to use the max possible Gbps as the cable rating, rather than the mess that was
USB 3.0 USB 3.1 USB 3.1 (Gen 1) USB 3.1 (Gen 2) …
So it’s more likely apple are just being specific in the type of cable you need.
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A $5 Pen drive transfers data faster. Some day, Apple will be able to figure how to do this in a multi hundred dollar phone. Need more MBAs.
Welcome to the Android world where even good smartphones worth 400 $ only support USB 2.0
I don’t use data on the USB port very often and when I do it’s always to make an access point over USB so the USB2.0 bandwidth is enough for my use.
I wonder if people really have a use for USB3.
Apart from making phone more expensive, I don’t see a real need for me
Argument can be made if your camera doesn’t support 4k or 60fps, there’s very little need for higher speeds than USB2.0 since files generated won’t be as big. However if you keep using your phone as a camera to record long videos, then yes it’s annoying to have slower interface.
That’s a valid point.
Also is there’s a USB3 controller at all in the phone to connect the camera inside the phone? Or does the camera talk on a different bus on the SoC?
With Apple devices I honestly don’t know. With others SoC is the one exposing the rest of the hardware and acts are intermediate. Historically in general giving DMA access to any hardware on the system has proven fatal when it comes to security. You do gain speed, but expose so much in the process.
My phone is 6 years old at this point, was only $350, and uses USB-C.
USB-C is a connector and, by itself, says nothing about the protocol in use. That’s the important part.
Is it USB 2.0
It only fast charges in a 3.0 port so I’m gonna have to assume it’s 3.0 not 2.0.
That has nothing to do with whether it’s USB 2.0 or 3.0 because it’s backwards compatible. What phone do you have?
How is it backwards compatible with fast charging if it only fast charges in 3.0 ports but not 2.0 ports? It will work in 2.0 sure, but it doesn’t fast charge over it since 2.0 doesn’t have the same electrical output as 3. I have a LG Thinq V6.
USB Power Delivery (fast charge) doesn’t require USB 3.0 speeds, just USB-C connectors.
That phone isnt 6 years old, it was released in 2020. It wasnt $350 either but $800. Weird points youre trying to make…
I paid $350 for it, for certain. I thought I got it in 2018 but it seems I’m just misremembering.
The main point is that android certainly uses USB 3.0 pretty commonly, and not just 2.0. If it fast charges, it ain’t fucking 2.0.
after a little time most of these handsets see deep discounts and special pricing from carriers
Disagree. My Redmi Note 11 can charge up to 33W using my current Anker Nano II (65W), previously UGREEN 20W charger. It has USB-C 2.0 port.
My Nothing Phone 1 is USB 2.0. I’ve never used it to transfer data
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My cheap android phones have had usb3 for like 5 years =\
Most Androids still only get USB2.0, but not the ones that are in the price range of the iPhone.
Edit: Feels like I’m back on Reddit with people not reading my comment, I just said that although most units of Android phones are budget to mid-range, mine being a mid-range (Poco F3), Android phones anywhere near the range of an iPhone in Cost is USB 3.0+
Cheap as in 100 and less brand new? The third-party market can get you a usb3 type c port from a 2 year old phone at that price range. This is cheap to have. Apple is not doing it because it costs money, but it is a plus for them. They are doing it to push power users, who know enough about technical specs, to buy the more expensive product. The pro has USB 3, and even then, the charging speeds are 12 watt. They are trickling the upgrades ever slower now because the technological advances have slowed down. They are doing it to create hype and advertising the new stuff every year instead of drastically changing their product. It is planned absolesence from making certain parts weak on purpose.
Most units are budget/mid-range, I’ve got a fairly good mid-range Poco F3 and it’s still USB 2.0, most units of android phones are that or below.
I said that everything close to price range of an iPhone is USB 3.0 or greater. The point was that the iPhone 15 is A$1500 and has the same port as my A$600 2-yr old android. The budget specs of the base model is absurd enough without being hyperbolic.
I bought my oneplus 10 pro for sub $500 during a sale, and it has usb3.1. It’s last year’s model. You can get a pixel 6 with usb3.1 for less than $400. A Galaxy S21 has usb3.2, less than $500.
That’s almost every major android brand for $500 or less with 3.1 or better. The cheapest you can buy an iPhone 15, the one with usb2.0, is $800. What are you on about?
it’s not universally true, there are plenty of cheap and expensive models with USB 3
This is why companies like Apple are malicious.
Apple’s base model hardware usually uses last year’s pro chipsets. They’ve been doing this for a bit now.
If the trend continues, next year the base model will get all the newer CPUs, micro controllers, etc.
Here’s the rational answer, folks. Anything else is your emotional response.
More like standard capitalism. The usb c connectors are not slower then the lightning connectors so its not like they made it worse. They simply refused to make it better.
A bit like Nvidia continuing to maken better gpu chips but refusing to have them release with a more VRAM.
If course in a way, all for profit-companies are malicious. Extracting surplus value from workers and such.
If the aim of a company is to maximize profits then every company in Apple’s stead would do the same thing. Not defending it but that’s the world we created.
So - in your opinion - any company shipping a USB 2 device is ‘malicious’?
You obviously don’t get the point. Educate yourself on Apple and USB-C, please.
It doesn’t sound like you actually have a rebuttal.
You mean the Apple that provided more than 20% of the engineering force that developed USBC?
Or the Apple that released the first USBC laptop to market?
That Apple?
Or the apple that fought against USB-C for their phones since basically forever and now implemented it with USB 2? Yes, this one.
Apple was forced by the EU to stop using their old and worse connector
So they’re complying, but they’re purposefully limiting the less expensive phone as a malicious compliance to that
Pretty simple really
Lightning connectors are definitely worse than USB-C, but when they were introduced the alternative was micro USB which is objectively worse than Lightning cables.
Of course, with wireless charging I haven’t used an actual cable in five years so it doesn’t matter that much to me.
So lightning cables offer transfer rates of 480Mb/s - USB 2.0 offers 625Mb/s. You are cross that they swapped out Lightning for USB on the main models and use USB 3 as a differentiator in the Pro models. Fair enough, but that’s not ‘malicious’. It’s not even malicious compliance.
USB 2.0 is also 480Mbps.
More clickbait bs. Oh right, Apple bad!
Where’s the clickbait? Apple is bad for using an outdated standard out of spite.
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USB-C is just the connector, not a protocol
It’s clickbait because they’re using last years chip like they always do. It’s not out of spite. The usb controller on the A16 Bionic does not support USB 3.0 because lightning never needed it. The A17 Pro in the pro models has an updated USB controller.
You do realize USB2.0 predates iPhones and USB3.0 is 15 years old at this point? And no, USB controller is not part of the A17 chip and it never will be. IO is always separate, even Apple knows this.
I think you may be mistaken, friend. The USB 3.0 controller is part of the A17 Pro SoC. It was specifically called out during the keynote when discussing the A17 Pro. You can read about it here too: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/apple-a17-pro-3nm-iphone-15-pro
Quite possible. Not sure why they would do that since there are plenty of IO chips out there, but it’s Apple… many things are a mystery.
so very apple to punish it’s own users because they have too many old components they need to use up, but if you’re paying for PRO you get actual 2023 modern USB.
so very, very apple.
Bro what modern it’s USB 3.0 lmao
USB 3.0 is already 15 years old.
the adaptor is usb3, the controller interface limits you to usb 2.0 speed. what part of the article was hard to comprehend?
What part of their comment was hard to comprehend?
They’re just saying even the usb 3.0 in the pro model is not modern.
Connector is USB type C, controller inside of it supports USB up to version 2. With USB you have different connectors but all of them are backwards compatible. So yes, Apple put outdated chip in the phone on regular versions so you get only USB 2.0 speeds. Type C is obviously capable of much more than USB 2, power delivery included… which is the part of OP statement. You get modern connector with outdated interface. Next year they will just trickle down Pro hardware to regular phones and call it “upgrade”. That’s what Apple does.
Well, they put last year’s chip in the phone, which does not support USB 3 speeds. If the non Pro iPhone 16 won’t support usb 3, then it’s deliberate kneecapping. Now it’s just unfortunate.
I still find it scummy that you get a year old hardware at current year prices. If the price was not at flagship level, then sure you could justify older chips.
Well, the price isn’t at flagship level. At least not from Apple’s view. You pay less, you get less (which is still en par if not ahead in most regards, compared to the competition)
Simple anchoring effect at work. Price flagship higher, so expensive “cheap” option looks cheaper by comparison. Truth of the matter is, it’s all inflated prices, not only exclusive to Apple.
It’s kind of funny that when they used lightning, they got a pass for failing to keep up with the industry standard that’s over a decode old.
Well, not really. Most people complained for years now about lightning. Not necessarily about the lack of usb 3 speeds but that’s probably because for the vast majority of people, that doesn’t matter
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Apple:
We had two children. Conner (yay! so handsome!!😍) and…erm, ugh…Billy. We don’t play favorites! Conner gets driven to private school, plays lacrosse, and has a tutor. Billy takes the bus to public school across town, has a sack lunch, and we broke his legs when he learned to walk because he was smaller than Conner.
You’re literally describing every product line ever.
Wait til this guy finds out about CARS
Apple gonna Apple.
One last little ‘f you for making us do this’
Whatever, still better than lightning.
It’s funny (or sad I guess) that the current generation of laptops are back on mag chargers (I forget what they’re called) instead of USB C. There was never a time when both iPhones and MacBooks used USB C charging.
you can use either the magsafe or USB-C PD, both works
Sorry, should’ve clarified I meant the one that came with it in the box
The cable that comes in the box is MagSafe, but the power brick is usb-c
Sorry, should’ve clarified I meant the end of the cord that comes in the box that you’re meant to plug into the laptop
I don’t have one, but I thought the user could either do magsafe or a usb-c to a laptop, either way will charge.
Haven’t used that charger since day 1 of receiving my work MBP M1. I just plug it into a Thunderbolt dock that supports usb-pd
they don’t care because apple punishes the poors at every opportunity anyway. soldered on ram & ssd’s on their laptops for fucks sake
Apple’s not the only one with soldered on components.
Yeah I have a Thinkpad Carbon X1. It has soldered on RAM.
ugh… please don’t support companies that do this. I’d never purchase a pc laptop that didn’t allow ram or ssd upgrades. insanity! I SAY!
the dumbing down and enshittification will only proceed if people buy their products.
You kind of chose the wrong series laptop to point this out. X series ThinkPad is ultra-portable line where sole focus is on weight and thickness. You can make an argument that memory clip doesn’t weigh a lot, but they really reduce every gram they can. Literally every other series has clip-on RAM.
Even if we ignore RAM, on ThinkPad pretty much everything is replaceable with a single screwdriver. Literally anything. You grab FRU#, find part that matches it and off you go. With Apple it’s ungluing battery, ripping things apart. Hell even keyboard is riveted into the case and you have to drill holes and make threads to replace it. It’s not comparable at the slightest.
dunno why you’re downvoted, you’re completely correct.
BUT
Apple is the only one charging eye-watering prices for the privilege. Yeah, there is that lol.
Agreed on the cost.
Apple blazed the trail though, really pushed the idea that saving a millimeter by going to glued/soldered on components is a good idea
It’s to heat up the computer better!
Apple wasn’t the first to solder components onto the motherboard.
It does feel kind of spiteful. But honestly, it is surprisingly difficult to find USB 3 USB-C cables anyway. Most of them are USB 2 unless you spring for Thunderbolt cables.
There’s nothing more spiteful than not buying either of them
I swear I have a USB C cable that charges faster oriented one way. I haven’t really proved it or anything but it really does feel like it. Maybe I’m crazy. Is it possible? It’s “normal” USB on the other side.
I had a cable which only charged plugged in one way up. I assume some of the pins were damaged.
You aren’t crazy, but barring any defects or damage this shouldn’t be happening
No they’re not? At least when I check amazon or any other online retailer, USB-C cables are almost always USB 3.0 or higher. Only the ultra cheap ones are not.
We’re talking USB-C to USB-C right?
Do you have links for some of the ones you looked at? Because I checked a few Anker and Apple cables and they were all USB 2.0.
It does seem to be easier to get USB 3 Type A to type C cables, but not C to C.
I was skeptical but then I went to the Google store and looked at their USB-C cables and they are also USB 2.0 speeds.
