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Apple users bash new iPhone 15: ‘Innovation died with Steve Jobs’::Smart phone fans are griping about Apple’s new devices since the arguably anti-climactic announcement of the forthcoming iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus on Tuesday.
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Usb-c is going to be a big deal for connecting devices to the phone. Now I don’t need to have some studios lightning adapter to plug in a usb drive or to get video out.
I look forward to experimenting with different things connected to see how they work. I’m curious how video out is handled. But I’m guessing I’ll be disappointed in most cases.
I expect being able to connect a usb drive will be helpful though.
Usb-c is going to be a big deal for connecting devices to the phone.
Android users welcome you to 2017…
Now I don’t need to have some studios lightning adapter to plug in a usb drive or to get video out.
…or not. Apple will limit USB-C to USB 2.0 speeds so… good luck with that.
Pro models support up to 10 gigs per second which is a touch more than 2.0
e.g. “pay us to remove the artificial speed.”
Isn’t the limit apply to non-pro devices only (which is still ridiculous btw)?
That is correct as the Pro devices have the A17 chip and the non pro are on the older A16 chip.
Wtf so the non pro are even worse than last year pro in every aspect?
no, the 15 is effectively the 14 Pro in an aluminum shell and 2 cameras instead of 3.
And still 950€ for the base model …
Is this a first year sort of thing or is it going to be this way going forward? Like, they didn’t want to have to engineer it for the older chip because it’ll be dropped after this year whereas the A17 will likely power the non-Pro Iphone 16 and the A18 will power the Pro version. I don’t put it past Apple to pull some douchery to try to drive Pro sales, but there could be a logical reason for it.
They’ve done it the last couple of models.
It’s a way to further differentiate the pro from the non pro, and to keep the non pro price the same. They haven’t changed the price on that since the 12.
The base has been $799 since 2020. Inflation alone should mean it would be $950 this year with no other changes.
Seems that it comes down to Apple adding a USB 3 controller in the
A16A17 chip where theA15A16 did not have one embedded. They’d otherwise need to have an external controller to add support in the non-pro phones which is easier said than done when dealing with a phone. Annoying but understandable at least.A17 and A16 respectively. You’re behind a year lol
Thanks - numbers are hard lol
Honestly I am fine with it. It looks like they did not have the usb3 controller built into the cpu until they made the 17 and m1 chips. To be honest, I am not going be moving any large files between the phone and a flash drive, at most a short video. The slower speeds will not bother me.
iPhone users wouldn’t piss on the best part of an innovative phone if it was on fire. Who are we kidding?
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lol
Yes, that’s why I’m still driving my model T Ford, because I’m waiting for the next big thing.
Evolution can lead to significant change over time.
I was watching the announcement yesterday and afterwards I was trying to recollect what cool new feature there was, I had to rewatch it because I fell asleep, but even then I couldn’t find anything. They should thank the EU that they at least can talk about the difference between USB2 and USB3 speeds.
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“It doesn’t cure cancer, it sucks lmao FOSS 4EVA!!!” - average lemmy user.
Lightning was already capable of USB 3 speeds. The OG iPad Pro had it.
They just never brought it over to their phones/cheaper ipads.
The iPad Pro had an external USB3 chipset on the mainboard. There likely isn’t space for an external controller in an iPhone.
It wasn’t really though.
The original iPad Pro had to do some shenanigans with it, which is why it only worked with a couple of specific accessories like the SD card dongle. They had special lightning connectors.
Lightning itself is only capable of usb 2 because of the pin set. Each side is redundant to the other to make it reversible. USB-c is a bigger connector with more pins.
The accessories that it worked with had a modified lightning connector that wasn’t redundant. The iPad would figure it out and change how data was flowing to the lightning connector.
That turned out to be a significant pain in the ass so they scrapped it and went to USB-C instead which solved that issue entirely, without having to pull the backend shenanigans.
Leave it to Apple to release a new iPhone with intentionally outdated, hamstrung technology just to upsell more expensive models.
My 2013 Samsung had usb 3, used a special micro USB 3 cable but still.
And Samsung quickly switched back to USB 2 shortly after because nobody really cared and it created other problems.
What other problems?
RF interference I believe.
Oh, interesting!
That’s mainly because microusb 3.0 was a failed tech, the cable was just so unwieldy and huge. Focus of S6 was on design so a large chunky port would be very difficult to keep.
All phone models for the last many years from them have USB 3.
The base model hardware is usually the chips, boards and controllers from last year’s pro phones. If that trend continues, next year’s base models will be on the new IO.
It’s shocking that they’re so openly scamming their customers. Base models comes with last’s year chip and features. Has a gimped USB 2.0 port for maybe a 5$ difference. It’s a total insult.
You don’t buy Apple products for the technology or innovations anymore, now you buy Apple products for the bragging rights of being able to pay premium prices for things everyone else has been using for a decade that have a lot more features for a fraction of the price.
Premium Android phones are just as expensive as iPhones and come with worse software quality and shorter support periods.
$Maybe in the us but elsewhere the apple prices are nuts. I bought new s23 for 800$. There is no fucking way I’d pay 1200$ for much worse iphone.
Agreed, the prices for Android are much better when non-US tariffs are involved.
Base iPhone is midrange device, not a flagship.
Except you can buy a pixel A series which will work just as well as the most expensive iPhone just slightly slower. I’m at about 3.5 years on a $350 pixel and still it’s the best phone I’ve owned. Yes I know you can buy cheaper iPhones too but aren’t they phasing that out? Like you now normally would have to buy a 1-2 year old model to get a price similar to that. My pixel was brand new and 4-5 months past release I think
The bugs on the PIxel 6 (returned after 2 weeks) and now with Android 12 on a Oneplus phone have me seriously thinking of buying an Iphone next time. Despite the fact I’d rather stay with Android, I’d make the switch and pay $300 more every three years for a phone that is relatively trouble free with decent support.
With 5 years of support too
This is a take I would expect to see on Reddit, it’s simply not true. None of those devices run iOS either which is what a lot of people prefer. It’s okay to dislike something, you don’t need to insult the people that do.
There’s nothing overtly insulting here unless you consider implying ignorance an insult
There’s nothing ignorant about people who prefer iOS over Android. Yes, you’re being insulting in a chronically online way.
I didn’t write that I just observed how wrong you are
Seems like you care just as much as the people who do buy it for bragging rights.
I don’t know what people are expecting anymore, phones are a mature market. Short of something like foldables (which don’t seem to be catching on) they’re going to be iterative updates. Look at TVs and computers. Years of big advancements and then they’re iterative.
Also the NY Post is an absolutely terrible publication to link to.
(almost) fully agree. However, I think people are just waiting for the next “game changer” since it’s been quite long since the “smartphone” was launched… and as you say, foldables obviolsy didn’t fill that desire. Computers, on the other hand, has seen some quite big improvements lately. Mainly with small, energy efficient chips (like the m1, m2…) so there is hope for a not so stagnant market with only marginal gains.
Foldables are catching on, they’re growing absurdly fast.
Exactly, they grow like 200% in the second it takes to unfold them
I got my fold because I was tired of incremental upgrades that didn’t make my phone feel any different than the last years phone (moved from Pixel 2 to pixel 3 right prices dropped when as pixel 6 launched). Sure it was faster but it didn’t feel any faster than when the old phone was new. The screen was the same size, it felt the same speed, why even spend the money? I wouldn’t pitch that anyone needs a foldable, but by that comparison noone “needs” a $1600 ultra/pro phone when base models are $800-900, but people do anyway. As long as I can afford the upgrade every 3 years, I will get the new one. when the screen finally gives.
I mean I’d agree but apple consistently jacks up the prices with every “new” release. I’m going to assume that the 15 is literally just the 14 with usb c.
Here’s an idea:
Your current phone is enough.
Yeah I think so, but they’ve stopped providing security updates for it.
Custom rom
phone manufacturers hiss and recoil like vampires
My Pixel 2 XL that’s suffering begs to differ…
Except the battery won’t hold a charge any more and it’s impossible to replace
Ah, right. They have time until 2025 for replaceable batteries. They want to milk you until the last moment (not only Apple).
And then there’s the issue of security updates.
Grab FairPhone.
Not Impossible https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement
Angry shareholder noises
Shareholders can cope and seeth
Imagine a world where we accept that things don’t have to be fantastically better than what came before, and we can find happiness in what we have.
That’s not how humans work.
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I guess we’re fucked, then.
Yup. All this technological advancement is cos we’re never really satisfied of what we have. Was it good in the 80s, was it enough? No. We never settle. That one day will be our ruin.
I just upgraded to an iPhone 13. I only did that because the battery in my XR was dying and a new phone was $10 a month. Otherwise, I would have been fine keeping it indefinitely.
If I may ask: why not a FairPhone? Those are repairable so they seem like a good investment if you’re gonna spend iPhone level of money*.
*Tho I guess an older iPhone 13 is cheaper than a new FairPhone nowadays but idk by how much.
Because I can’t get one for $10 a month and I don’t want to repurchase the hundreds of dollars worth of apps I’ve already paid for.
Apple has n’t made anything impressive and quite a long time
Hear this remark every year now.
The only thing apple can really do to push the platform forward is to allow people to dock their phone and use it as a desktop.
But they are not doing this because it will hurt their laptop and desktop sales.
They also don’t want to let people sideload. They know that people will not want to use a washed down desktop version because people don’t like using the washed down iPadOS desktop version.
This will be tough when the USB interface is still using USB 2.0.
Even the USB 2.0 phones support DisplayPort 4K 60Hz/HDR https://www.macrumors.com/2023/09/13/all-iphone-15-models-support-displayport/
Sure, 3.0 would be better for transferring files, but I’m personally not transferring stuff like this.
I do t expect apple to even do this for year anyway. Maybe that’s when I’ll do my next upgrade.
It died long before Steve Jobs did. Steve straight up fought tooth and nail to keep superior emerging technologies like OLED off new iPhone’s.
Steve’s big computer innovation was fanless design. Apple had to design custom power supplies with custom voltages and custom motherboards. Then the power supplies started overheating and failing after a couple years the replacement power supply was 500 when a normal power supply was 100.
At this point I’m trying to figure out what people want from yearly releases. iPhones are pretty much already packed with every feature imaginable. There’s not much more to add without completely transforming the device into something it isn’t.
Better local AI capability. It’s definitely something they are working with, introducing new accelerator features with new processors. Currently most of the actually great AI tools still require you to offload the workload to a server somewhere. And some stuff is not worth doing in a mobile device before it can be done at a fraction of the power.
For the basic hardware features, mainly the camera and image processing tools are actually relevant. Almost all non professional photography in the world is now done with phones and there is still a lot to do to improve the miniature cameras.
Some of the greatest new features from the past few years are things people don’t even realize weren’t always there. Like for example my phone opens up when I pick it up and look at it. And locks when I put it down. This makes usage so much more fluid and is something that did not happen just ten years ago. This kind of UI optimizations are way more important than some numbers in spec sheet. And the local AI processing I mentioned is a key in enabling more situations where the phone understands what you want without you explicitly pressing buttons.
A Siri that doesn’t feel like it’s ~13.5 years old would be nice, especially with the advancements in LLMs. I use Siri daily (timers, alarms, weather check while in bed, etc.) but it feels SO ancient. Can’t even ask it follow-up questions.
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Lol wot? “Every feature imaginable” 🤣🤣🤣 did I read this right?!
They just haven’t yet “imagined” the many new features we have received in the last few years from non-Apple phones. Don’t worry, once Apple “imagines” it, they will acknowledge the only logical truth they could conceive. That Steve Jobs’ consciousness uploaded to an iMac has graced them with innovation once again.
It has nothing to do with features and performance, most people don’t use those anyway. You really don’t need 8-core CPU on your phone but it’s 2 more than 6 and me having 8 and you having 6 has everything to do with that. People love status symbols and pointing them out to others, as if that makes them better by comparison or something.
No matter what others say, you really don’t feel limitations of your device. Sure screen might feel a bit faster, animations might feel more fluid. None of those a crucial to device operation and use and certainly not worth paying premium price for newest iteration that has all those marginally improved. It’s just consumerism at work.
Case in point, pretty much every MacBook Pro has a TPM chip on it (trusted platform module). Guess how many people used it or has it configured to supply entropy to their systems to increase security. ThinkPads also have those, but most other laptops don’t. Even most developers don’t know what those are. They are great addition and extra feature for business users… but for the most part it’s just another thing on the spec sheet that people pay for but never use.
As for the every imaginable feature… it seems they are being removed rather than added. I found 3.5mm jack useful. I wish we still had qwerty keyboards on our big screen devices as most used feature of phones these days is typing. I wish we had expansion slots and memory cards. I wish we had replaceable batteries so you don’t have to depend on finding an outlet on long trips. I wish we had sapphire screens so you don’t have to worry about scratching your screen. I wish we had smaller devices because some people just need a phone and not a tablet or they have smaller hands. But naaah… removing those is considered brave.
The base model of the iPhone still doesn’t have USB 3 and won’t have the latest USB-PD. The USB 2 standard was released over 20 years ago. The Lightning plug was released over 10 years ago. The plug technology on iPhones is seemingly being kept out of date on purpose. At least that is what people are complaining about.
They repinned the current chipset from the current iPhone 14 to use USB-C, which is why the base model won’t be USB3. They’ve done this with every model, the previous pro becomes the base model chipset next gen.
Next year the base model will likely have USB3. And lightning worked for 99% of Apple users. The 1% complained a lot, but the majority of iPhone users no longer plug in their phone to anything but the wall.
Apple users really just didn’t notice the limitations. Whether you consider that “working” is up to you.
Apple users are used to their phones taking ninety minutes to charge and not lasting the whole day. They consider that “normal” and are unlikely to consider that for Android devices, even cheap ones, sub-1 hour fast charging and all-day battery life are standard, not exceptions.
Apple’s (previously) bundled charger is a measly 5 W whereas my cheap $150 OnePlus comes with a 33 W charger, delivering over six times as much power. Granted, Apple devices tend to be more power-efficient than others, but not six times less.
I use my iPhone extensively and it consistently lasts me all day. The iPhone 11 Pro came with a 20w charger in the box (although admittedly they removed the power adapter from the 12)
The context of my original comment is the base iPhone model. Nonetheless, it’s still to be noted that the default charger that came with your iPhone 11 (18 W, not 20 W) still delivers 45% less power than the default 33 W charger that came with my OnePlus Nord N20 5G.
From what I can read online, it takes one hour to go from 0 to 80% on an iPhone 11 Pro using the default charger. It takes my phone a bit over half an hour.
Remember, I am comparing an iPhone with an MSRP of $999 to a phone that I bought for $150. Refurbished iPhone 11 Pros still sell for $300.
I believe that my point that iPhones have comparatively poor chargers for their price point stands. Charging technology has not changed significantly from then to now. The effect of Apple’s recalcitrance is that even the cheapest Android phones can run circles around iPhones when it comes to charging. I hope Apple with take this opportunity to deliver a better product for their users rather than making only incremental improvements to old technology.
My $200 Motorola came with a 68w charger which is quite frankly ludicrous for a phone, and I prefer to use the slow charger so I don’t heat and damage my battery unless I’m in a hurry (and my phone always lasts a whole day of heavy use so I’m almost never in a hurry to charge)
Where did you get the idea that Android phones have longer battery life? iPhones usually do very good in battery life comparisons. Usually you have to go ~20% larger battery on an android device to get the same battery life as an iphone. Of course if you look at just the top charts you get a number of large Android phones with like 7000mAh batteries, which are by far not the norm.
For example by my quick sample of three reviews your one plus nord seems to roughly match iPhone13 battery life but lose to iPhone 14.
I’d say this is actually one reason people buy iPhones. With Apple they can trust that power usage has been implemented well. With Android phones some of them have good battery life and some don’t. Even within one brand.
Again, I want to remind you that a $1,000 phone winning against a $150 phone is not a victory at all. The iPhone should have absolutely kerb-stomped mine. The fact that it is even competitive is the point I am trying to make.
You can visualise a sort of bell curve of battery life. My phone is probably somewhere around the 30-40th percentile (and note that a 90th percentile phone is not 2× better, it’s probably only 50% better). A bit worse than average but not terrible. It’s a cheap phone, after all.
But the issue is that (new) Apple phones I presume are placing consistently around the 60th percentile, which is good and better than average. The issue is that you’re paying 80th-percentile prices for 60th-percentile performance. That is the point I’m trying to make. It’s relative performance to price, not absolute performance. These numbers are made up but illustrate the point I’m trying to make.
If the iPhone were priced at $400-500, it’d be an excellent value and I would recommend it to a lot more people. That’s what I feel a comparable Android would cost. Maybe it could go up to $550 since Apple products do have better build quality and the Apple ecosystem, but at $700 for the latest base model iPhone 14, I think it’s just not delivering the value for money compared to Android phones. Of course, that’s my opinion. I make decisions based on hardware. Others may make decisions based on the fact that they like the iOS experience and the ecosystem it provides, or even because they just like using Apple products. And yes, the fact that Apple products are of consistently above-average quality does count for something.
I’m not attacking you if you own an iPhone and like it, and I don’t judge you for it. I will criticise Apple though, because I feel that Apple is short-changing their customers on the technical side by providing mediocre hardware for not-mediocre prices.
Battery life has nothing to do with the price of the phone because battery size is limited by physical size not price. The cheapest phones actually tend to do well in comparisons.
Apple could fix this by making the phone a few millimetres thicker but I think we both know why they don’t
Honestly, with wireless charging, I rarely even plug it into the wall anymore. The only time I really use the Lightning connector is when I’m out for extended periods of time and need to plug into a power bank.
Same here. I have a MagSafe charger stand on my desk and it’s pretty much the only place I charge now. There’s been a few times I’ve tried to transfer files, but iTunes was such a PoS on Windows that I gave up
I really liked the times when features were added and not killed off.
10 years ago you could purchase a flagship phone with IR blaster for controlling whatever you couldn’t find a remote for, or trolling people in public spaces by turning off their TVs. Cloud storage wasn’t as popular, but if your phone died, the images were safe on the micrSD card. Bluetooth headsets were a thing, but you could always just use a cheap pair of headphones to stick in the headphone jack. People who desired it could install a custom ROM with all kinds of optimizations and less bloat. It used to be a lot more popular back then. Other than cameras, battery life, and reversible and more robust USB-C connectors, there isn’t much innovation. I used to feel like I owned my device much more back then. Now I only use the stock ROM, can either use wireless headphones or ones that use the charging port. I can’t insert a microSD, or test new features for Android ported from other devices by someone on XDA Developers. I’m not using the phone the way I want, but the way the companies who made it decided on.
You could easily replace the battery back then! Not in iPhones, but on many Android devices.
I agree. We don’t really need anything else from a pocket computer. Just keep improving what we have. Nothing wrong with that at all. No one is holding a gun to anyone’s head and making them buy the new version every year.
Someone else pointed out that for more and more people their phones are replacing a desktop/laptop, and that makes a lot of sense as to why people keep wanting more from them.
Someone else pointed out that for more and more people their phones are replacing a desktop/laptop.
Good luck doing any kind of actual productive work on a phone.
Its just a device for chewing through content as fast as your fingers can scroll.
Not everyone needs to use a dedicated desktop/laptop at home. You might do whatever you need to do quicker on a desktop or laptop but if you aren’t working that may not be an issue. I know several people who fit this description.
There’s very little I do in my day to day life that can’t be handled on my phone. If I didn’t game I’d probably have a seldomly used laptop.
Online banking, ordering basically anything, paying bills, paying rent, etc can all be done on mobile now. Systems are now built with mobile as a first class use case because people do so much on their phones. Just because you don’t do it doesn’t mean others can’t.
Yes. But real work I said. You didn’t read my first paragraph.
Try working with a spreadsheet on a phone. OK?
The second paragraph you have a point. It very useful. However, you won’t spend hours with your bankapp or your uber food app. Most of the time its an endless scroller tool. Am I right?
A growing population whose interaction with technology is entirely and solely through their thumb (or occasionally both thumbs) is such a sad reality, and voice interaction is nowhere near ready to replace traditional computer interfaces (aka keyboard/mouse).
What more do they need?
Y’all are unironically engaging with a NYPost article
It’s an insult to call this an article, is regurgitating some shit some dudes on twitter said.
Thats 50% of modern journalism. The other 50% is copying police press releases verbatim without investigation.
It’s always been a large chunk of journalism. Great Journalism always has and continues to exist, but the kicker is those people deserve to get paid for their work, and few people want to participate in paying for content, so low effort spam is more lucrative.
I only hear: „mimimi, apple does not give me any reason to buy a new phone every year.“ just use your phone 5 years and try a new one then you will feel the difference. Source: I own a iPhone X and my girlfriend owns a iPhone 12 pro
It’s better for the environment anyway. Regardless of manufacturer. There’s also almost no need to get a new device every year. Marginal hardware upgrades mean very little to average consumer, it’s just a numbers race and most people don’t really take their devices to the edge of performance.
corporate wants to know the difference between these two phone versions
“its the same phone”
“We put a bigger number on the box.”
Congratulations, you have discovered car manufacturers too.
We also changed the 14 to a 15
