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Sweden? Somebody’s confusing countries. That’s exactly what’s happening in Germany now.
Canada’s right is also siding with the far right on policies. Hopefully they do not gain power.
They’re gaining power and will continue to do so, as the left refuses to bend to populist demand.
There must not be any party to the right of the CSU!
But more importantly, no coalition with the Green party!
DIE GRÜÜÜHHÜÜÜ!!!ÜÜÜHHHNEEEN !
And in every europe country.
not really accurate but I’d be interested in how you rationalize the points
edit: just to point out how convoluted these points are many if not most can be applied to the previous social-democratic lead government
I’d be interested in how it is inaccurate instead of you just blurting out that it is and then demanding an explanation.
The right (who seem to ruin our great nation anytime they get their greedy, treasonous hands on it) realised they wasn’t going to win this election without support from the nazi part so they buddied up with them.
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I assumed the person posting this knew the background to this post and had knowledge about swedish politics (like I do), meaning that they could expand on the points in the post and give a rationalization.
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You must have missed what I added in the second paragraph (I’m sure you can find it if you looked for it)
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point 1, 2 and 6 happened with the social-democratic lead government before the currently elected center-right one (which you know). Point 3 and 4 is just a fantasy made up in this persons mind. Point 5, the local goverment parties set up their colitions whatever the fuck way they want
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Hapenned in Brazil, but now center-right is bleeding votes to the right wing.
That’s why I don’t get how every single center-right party is going this way.
They hope to get votes back from radicalized people but in the end they make more people radical and then they vote for the “original” or “against the establishment”
Giving Nazis an inch just makes them take the next one, too until there’s nothing left
This. It sucks that the far right makes the moderate right look weak. It’s not.
the “moderate right” is radicalizing its voters and itself so of course they end up with the far right.
It amazes me how many people know nothing about the situation in Sweden, but automatically side against a party because it is labelled right wing. And worse, now compared to Drumpf.
Good. Fascists and fascist supporters should be universally opposed.
The issue is the criteria that is used to label someone a fascist. In the last decade, the use of this term has become a trend to fit with your social circle, gain some virtues and feel good about yourself (ie I’m on the right side of history kimda of things). It’s just too loose as a term to make an impact. Like the venzueallan currency.
There’s another issue and that is far-right parties trying to obfuscate their far-rightedness until they have enough devoted followers to let the obfuscation die.
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If this post is even 50% correct then Sweden’s right wing party is on the same trajectory as americas republican party. You don’t want that, do you? Aligning yourself with the interests of white supremecists is always a bad idea
The swedish culture is radically different than the US.
Fascism isn’t though. It presents very similarly across cultures
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That whole series is pretty enlightening on the process of online right wing radicalization. For young men, that is. Definitely worth your time!
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That strategy worked out great for Germany in the early 20th century. What could go wrong?!
Over here in germany we have already arrived at step #3 again, yay! (at least at state-level in thuringia)
…I want to get off Mr bones’ wild ride
Doesn’t Thuringia have a Left/SPD/Green minority government?
Yup. And the CDU recently brought forward a draft proposal (?) for a tax cut that they knew would only get passed if the Nazis also voted in favor of it. And of course they did.
Nothing, since this time the United States won’t be there to save the world with their facism-lite program
Well, the United States is turning to fascism itself, with MAGA, Trump and De Santis’ ideas having become mainstream. And both politicians are seriously being considered to be presidential candidates in the next election!
Now we wait for trump’s re-election, and the entire west falls to facism.
Few more years of voting out the entire gop should solve that one. Their trajectory is pointed don’t down.
Its a few swings away from working pretty well in America, too.
Hold our beer real quick.
Sweden already started their eugenics program when they officially decided to murder elderly COVID patients instead of treating them.
Good lord, take your meds.
Next!
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Go fuck yourself
lmao, you’re clearly unhinged. Go outside.
Murdering the elderly seems like an ineffective way to start a eugenics program.
Killing off people elderly people could potentially lead to eugenic effects downstream. Not everything is simple and easy to understand as you want it to be.
But is it how you’d start a “eugenics program”? I’m also not sure quite what you mean. Lead to it politically, or through some social knock on effect or?
Funny comment for somebody with the nick ‘KillAllPoorPeople’, but wrong in my eyes, nonetheless. Eugenic is preselection of who gets born by either prenatal measurements or hindering those who are able to reproduce. Killing off people who will have no chance to reproduce anyways is from an eugenic point of view insignificant. There is no longterm downstream effect, only the possibility of some moral change.
“I cannot personally think of a scenario where something is true, therefore, it can not and can never be true.” - every great philosopher and scientist
‘I have an opinion and make either the evidence, my perception of it or the terms we are discussing fitting it’
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There is no way to see senicide as a eugenic strategy without changing what eugenic means. But, as you point out, I might be wrong. So feel free to score your goal without moving the post.
“People in my family live long, but if we live long we will be executed, I don’t think we should have children.”
See how easy that was to come up with one obvious example?
That is not eugenics, because the people are not removed from the genepool as a result of eugenic thought, but by people with non-eugenic intentions under the influence of a specific policy that is not inherently eugenic. I see that as a circular argument. They can chose to reproduce. Also note, that this policy would not improve the genepool, but dramatically weaken it, as it would lead to - if somehow a significant amount of people would share your non-sequitur train of thought - only those reproducing who can be sure that their offspring dies early, e.g. families who have certainty that there offspring dies at 50 of cancer. Prenatal diagnostics would turned into the opposite it is used for, where only defective children would be born. You make a case for the opposite of eugenics.
Killing off elderly people could potentially lead to eugenic effects downstream.
Can you illustrate how, in an example? You seem to be decisive this is true, but it isn’t obvious to me and I didn’t see an explanation yet.
If possible, try to link your explanation to concepts used in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics, so that we don’t talk past each other.
From my possibly still uneducated point of view, what happens to elderly people (who don’t procreate) can not alter the gene pool.
Ah wow, when did this occur? It seem implausible that a nation would refuse to treat a patient unless hospitals were at some sort of max capacity, how many people died in this manner? What is the inflection age where the death trend for that age group spikes? I would expect it to be visible and measurable. Did any other countries practice such a program?
Also you said it was an official declaration, what date did this announcement occur? It might help to reduce the questions I ask if I can look it up and link it.
The country’s treatment of the elderly and patients with comorbidities such as obesity was especially appalling.
“Many elderly people were administered morphine instead of oxygen despite available supplies, effectively ending their lives,” the researchers wrote. “Potentially life-saving treatment was withheld without medical examination, and without informing the patient or his/her family or asking permission.”
Article based on this paper.
Sweden took a sociopath-based approach no matter which way you look at it.
That is really incredible. This quote stood out to me, as it seems to be the root cause of many pandemic woes, "We argue that that scientific methodology was not followed by the major figures in the acting authorities—or the responsible politicians—with alternative narratives being considered as valid, resulting in arbitrary policy decisions. In 2014, the Public Health Agency, after 5 years of rearrangement, merged with the Institute for Infectious Disease Control, with six professors leaving between 2010 and 2012 going to the Karolinska Institute. With this setup, the authority lost scientific expertise. The Swedish pandemic strategy seemed targeted towards “natural” herd-immunity and avoiding a societal shutdown. The Public Health Agency labelled advice from national scientists and international authorities as extreme positions, resulting in media and political bodies to accept their own policy instead."
That is surprising, but good to know. Though I’m not sure who LazarusLong13 is.
This is such a gross oversimplification of the actual events that it tells us nothing.
More frustrating when seeing people weigh in on the issue who clearly lack even a fundamental understanding of the political landscape and history in Sweden.
You’re know you’re allowed to say why you think those things instead of just doing a generic ad hominem attack contributing nothing to the discussion nor countering anything that was said?
I said that the statement in the post is meaningless since it grossly oversimplifies a complex issue. That is my whole point.
And it’s not an attack (against whom even?!) it’s simply a statement of an opinion.
It’s not just an opinion. It’s trying to counter or negate what they said. You directed your (attack on an) argument to either OP or the Twitter user.
It’s an opinion, I express my opinion with arguments to counter the opponents opinion and arguments, and that’s how debating works, you moron.
See, now that, on the other hand, was an attack and a statement of fact.
At least you folded and now realize what you originally did was try to counter their argument with a nicer sounding, more verbose version of “you’re stupid.” Take the L and move on.
Okej, den kan jag faktiskt dels ge dig. Jag tänkte inte riktigt när jag postade, och ja, det är frustrerande när utlänningar fundamentalt missförstår svensk politik. Men jag tycker fortfarande att det är en något fungerande förenkling för utlänningar.
Det är helt missvisande eftersom den här personen verkar tycka att vågmästare tydligen menar sammarbete när sd fyllde samma roll under den socialdemokratiska regeringen
We’re already at step 5 in the Netherlands unfortunately…
And the vvd is seriously flirting with the idea of 6.
Awesome. There won’t be a European war against fascism this time because France, Germany, Italy, the UK and Poland will be on the same side this time. Good to hear that the Dutch will be as well.
This is not depressing at all.
Mass immigration in Europe, this is the answer. And now far right in a lot of countries seems too much globalist.
Seriously. Meloni in Italy now it is see as a globalist autoritarian leader, not a far right nationalist leader. She was voted to stop mass immigration and she increased it a lot. The only thing she has done has been some authoritatarian laws ( as every othet parties in italy , see m5s , pd ). American social issue are quite not existent really in italian society, so this is not a problem. ( body shaming is seen as fat glorification, in a country obsessed with well being and healty lifestyle )
Sweden currently has a right-wing government supported by the Nazis (the SD party, who have roots in Sweden’s WW2-era NSDAP affiliates, though vigorously deny being Nazis), who are still considered too much of a hot potato to let into the government proper, so they have to have their offices outside the government building of the parliament and launder their policy ideas through the mainstream right-wing parties. Most of the policies thus laundered can be summed up as “make Greta Thunberg cry”: cutting diesel taxes, scrapping high-speed rail plans, and just now scrapping the plastic-bag surcharge, a move that has no purpose other than to be culture-war red meat. (Make Greta Cry are the only culture-war issues they can agree on; beyond that, they’re coming to blows on things like Pride flags/LGBT rights and such.) Other than that, they’ve bringing in tougher requirements for Swedish citizenship, but not much more than that.
Theoretically, if the right gets re-elected in 2026, it’s possible that the Nazis (the largest party among them) will be in government proper, or even that their Reichsführer Jimmie Åkesson (a mediagenic stuffed shirt good at making a motley crew of thugs and bigots look like “citizens with legitimate concerns”) would be prime minister. In practice, the right are tanking in polling, and it’s not getting any better for them, and a Socialdemokraterna-led centre-left coalition is likely to be the next government. Of course, a lot can happen between now and then, but short of a Riksdag fire or 9/11-style spectacle, I can’t see them turning this around easily, as it has become painfully apparent that a significant proportion of the coalition are cretins.
I’ll never vote left due to all the immigration and shootings. AfS looks extremely tempting.
For those who aren’t familiar with Swedish domestic politics: this is a good example of why you shouldn’t believe everything you read on the internet. The parent comment appears to be written in bad faith and borders disinformation.
The Sweden Democrats/Sverigedemokraterna, which the poster is referring to as nazis, have always been advocaters for a more strict migration policy. Apart from that they are pretty much aligned in the middle.
The actual nazi party (Nordiska Motståndsrörelsen) got 847 votes (0,01%) in the 2022 riksdag election and the poster knows this. Alternativ För Sverige/AfS, the closet nazis and where most people draw the actual line for the extreme right, got 16 646 votes (0,26%). Data from The Swedish Election Authority
Happening in Germany right now, we are at step 2
We are at step 4.
Step 4 was skipped. We’re either at 3 with what happened in Thüringen this week or 5 (also Thüringen, Landkreis Sonneberg).
seems like we learned nothing.
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HANS! HOL DEN FLAMMENWERFER WIEDER RAUS!
For what it’s worth, this lasted longer tha Weimar. So we did get better and all it took was losing everything and decades of occupation and a huge Cold War where both sides kinda needed us as the battlefield.
Modern Germany has much stronger checks and balances than Weimar though right?
those can be removed easily once in power and the “conservatives” have blocked probes into police violence and systemic racism as well as fascist terrorist groups inside the police for decades. So if the constitutional court rules against such a government it is very well possible that they just get ignored or worse attacked by the government.
Democracy doesnt survive through laws and institutions. It survives through the people involved in the political and governmental processes to uphold. And the German “conservative” parties are happy to hurt democracy if it gets them back into power and to do the equivalent of “owning the libs”. They have considerably radicalized and are trying to do things like Trump did.
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I love how your comment has 9 upvotes (including mine) but no one dares to upvote or downvote mine
Step 3. The CDU knew the AfD would vote with them (and without the nazi votes they wouldn’t have been able to pass this legislation).
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How did the entire fucking civilized world all suddenly decide that fascism was awesome?
To the lefties: I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO
Are you gonna arm up yet? Or are you gonna say BUT NAZIS AND FASCISTS HAVE FREEEEE SPEEEEEEEEEEECH
Finland at the final step. One of current ruling parties is a populist conservative one with openly racist views. And our right wing parties are sucking their dicks cause together they can bash some unions. A fucking disgrace.
Typisk svensk
I went to Europe after Trump was elected and everyone was oozing smug.
Tbh there is still a major difference between electing a guy like Trump and voting for a populist right-wing party.
Are they they not the same? Trump is also a populist and right wing.
Trump is first and foremost a criminal and a conman. He can barely be called a politician.
Trump convinced thousands to attack a government building for supposed fraudulent election results. He is as much of a politician as Hitler, Mussolini and other autocrats.
Which were also criminals and conmen. Things are great.
Yeah, not so smug now unfortunately
