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I don’t get it, do they think that wrecking the economy will not wreck them as well? The rock bottom is still pretty far.
The rock bottom is still pretty far
for you perhaps, millions if not billions globally are already there.
Choosing the status quo to maintain your own minor and almost certainly temporary comforts over change serves no one but the obscenely rich and powerful.We’re not talking globally though.
The next step is pretty difficult, as far as I can tell. Survival at task will require crime, suffering, and mutual aid.
Ya you clearly don’t get it. The economy is already destroyed for poor people. You can’t wreck what is already destroyed. Since the economy is already destroyed for poor people the next step is pulling the rich down with us and making them bleed.
The economy is already destroyed for poor people
Literally no member of the UAW is poor.
UAW members being poor doesn’t really play any importance here in my opinion - if we were to use this way of thinking for protests, restricting them to only those directly affected/impacted by the subject of said protest, IMO there would either be no change or things could get violent.
If anything, you as a person in authority could easily silence the whole problem at that point by wiping out the protesters.
I think it is better for the people who care to do something, regardless of whether they are affected or not, since the alternative is for society’s most exploited people taken advantage of even more
What specifically are you doing?
Because I don’t see a broken economy anywhere. I see people not voting locally, so housing prices in their area skyrocket. I see people not campaigning, so we never hit a critical mass of Congresspeople to effect national change. I see people born with silver spoons in their mouths invoking “class solidarity” while telling me that it is literally impossible to live on even 150% of the median income.
So, what specifically are you, yourself, doing?
One of the only MOPs in my village’s local authority meetings.
Use public transport as I’m against overdependence on cars - it’s futile because cuts are made anyway, and combined usage costs as much as owning a car to begin with. The buses are very comfortable and air conditioned though 👍
Voting for a difference, but the status quo stays the same because everyone here is being fed the same sweet talk by a government that has said on the record that they are not interested in building new housing while there is an ongoing shortage.
Taking part in temporary government funded schemes, set up with the intent to collect feedback guiding future areas of expenditure.
And much more.
It’s all a waste of time though, nothing changes as a result. I say the UAW have got the right idea for going for what will hurt the most. People living paycheck to paycheck deserve better than this, or even worse, those stuck in endless debt. Last year the energy costs around here were equivalent to buying a new PS5 every month.
We can can shout all we like into the echo chamber here about possible solutions - but is the everyday voter even educated about how any of the existing institutions work? Asking people on an online internet forum what they are doing in their community, in an elitist condescending tone, does nothing to further this IMO. A union doing things like this, is everything that does.
You’re doing great! More people should be like you.
Voting for a difference, but the status quo stays the same because everyone here is being fed the same sweet talk by a government that has said on the record that they are not interested in building new housing while there is an ongoing shortage
This is a hard fight, but the end goal is just to keep working on persuading these people. Power happens locally.
Asking people on an online internet forum what they are doing in their community, in an elitist condescending tone, does nothing to further this IMO
Strong disagree. Online memes are not action, and through action we fix problems. If even one person stumbling by becomes more active, it’s worth calling out the people who are not.
No one’s getting involved because you’re being an asshole online. You’re high on the smell of your own shit.
Way to 100% miss the point of the person you’re replying to in an conniving attempt to undermine their point without actually debating.
Truly awful!
Don’t be dumb. This wasn’t a debate. This was me calling out bullshit responses.
Literally all you had to do was scroll down one comment to watch me metaphorically high-five OP.
Literally takes less effort to read the conversation than it does for you to Velcro your shoes or put on your helmet before you walk outside.
You need a lesson in economics. Is $32 billion better in 100 people’s hands or in the hands of 400,000 peoples hands? The Average UAM makes ~$64k a year, add in where these manufacturing plants are that’s not enough for a single individual to live within driving distance to work. The auto makers could give every unionized work a $40k a year raise and still have $16billion in profits!
The Average UAM makes ~$64k a year, add in where these manufacturing plants are that’s not enough for a single individual to live within driving distance to work
Median income in Wayne Michigan is just under half that, at 27k. It’s absurd to suggest “a single individual” cannot live there on a UAW salary.
UAW provides great salaries and benefits (and continues to do so, with this strike) and suggesting UAW members are impoverished discredits the union.
Idk where you’re getting $32B from. Ford has $42B cash-on-hand and while you don’t went to spend even most of that, I agree that it can be better allocated as pay/benefits up to a point.
Median income isn’t a metric for cost of living. And definitely doesn’t mean the workers who actually made the cars shouldn’t get paid more. $27k a year just means there are hundreds of thousands of workers in Michigan that need to strike as well. (Regardless of they are unionized.) no one is arguing for workers to be paid more than their errands. Or economy is failing because money is pooling in few and few hands. And those few hands are lying about there not being enough to go around or just because someone flipping burgers doesn’t deserve to make enough to feed themselves and their families.
Median income is absolutely indicative of cost of living because people do in fact live in Wayne MI. I know it is crazy to you that some people make so much less than your parents, but I promise they do and they are alive.
The rest of your post is meaningless and unrelated to the topic.
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The “economy” will exist whether it’s a capitalist system or something else. Blaming the system is a stupid take when it’s the actors within it causing the issues you complain about.
It’s like blaming gravity.
How does the working class not realise that the wealthy are the sodden bitch in a bog handing out the sword? Jeeebus
Fucking legend. Hats off to him and the UAW
Let’s goooooo 🔨
The more I hear about this guy, the more I like him.
If conditions are unlivable for too many people, that’s bad and it calls for a re-negotiation of everything. It also bears reminding today’s leisure class/ultra-wealthy that part of the basis for their existence as such was always a trade-off between them paying their workers enough to live with dignity and the metaphorical torches and pitchforks and guillotines staying in mothballs
"For the fired auto workers Who were twisted, tricked and robbed To the peasant in Guatemala In a sweatshop got your job And she can’t feed her family On the pennies that she makes Meanwhile the crime rate’s rising Up and down the Great Lake states
Like vegetables left in the field The signatures smell rotten On the contracts and the deeds That push the race down to the bottom As they load the rubber bullets As they fire another round I’m heading into the tear gas Dig in man, hold your ground
For Joe Hill and Cesar Chavez Who fought in their own time For our brothers and our sisters Up and down that picket line For the unnamed and unnumbered Who struggle brave and long For the union men and women Standing up and standing strong"
Tom Morello/The Nightwatchman - Union Song
Even China knows this. Give the hard working people a better job than mom and dad had and they won’t rebel.
The people who are rolling in their next billion have forgotten what happens when you take that away.
China is about to find out as well, they have something like a 30% new-grad unemployment rate, and Pooh Bear is on a bootstraps kick saying that social protections encourage laziness.
They’re on even thinner ice than the US.
I mean we all know what “didn’t” happen last time students got together in protest. Whatever became of the Hong Kong protest btw?
This is a good question. Last time I brought this up on Lemmy, someone said they were better off under the CCP than British rule. 🤔
They are in the economic industrial boom that already happened to western countries decades ago. The problem is that eventually all booms end
That is just buying into accepting the current model where the rich can have it all at the expense of the poor. The model is the problem not the amount we have to distribute.
Apparently these billionaires vote & elect the folks who want to arm all of these workers you speak of. Sound logic if you ask me
Well nothing has happened, what is being asked of them is less than what they’ve taken. Worse case scenario is they give back some of the stolen goods.
But this is the same as a fine for breaking the law, they made more than they lost as a result so this is all factored in.
I’d rather not be sent into poverty like in 1930s Germany tyvm. The “winner takes all” mentality though needs to go. The US especially has a lottery winning mentality.
Based
Seems very ungrateful to the job creators and innovators that just because the economy doesnt work for you, you want to wreck it for us too. Why not try starting up your own car company instead of cutting into the profits of the hard working Ford and GM families.
I’m impressed that you made it through posting that comment without drowning in bullshit. Bravo.
It’s a parody account.
It’s a shitty parody account and we all know it’s your alt, weirdo.
Stalking me? Who’s the weirdo again?
username checks out
User is a sarcastic concept account cosplaying as the most ridiculous pro-billionaire stooge possible 😁
First I didn’t get that it was a joke. Then I got that it was a joke and it was an okay joke. Then I saw the joke over and over. Now I’m sick of the joke and I downvote it (not that it helps).
Thanks for being honest about yucking our yum, I guess 🤷
Sorry, I’ve just seen it in too many posts now and it is tiresome to see so many people get fooled by it every time.
It’s almost like acting like a dumbass and being a dumbass are identical to each other!
Congratulations, you win the “stupidest shit I’ve heard all day” award.
I suppose you also think Christian Bale is actually Batman?
You’re a complete fucking moron that doesn’t understand the difference between satire and being a bootlicker.
Are you…acting like a dumbass or…?
To the unobservant, yes.
Not their fault that end stage capitalism and the resurgence of fascism have made the most braindead takes mainstream enough that it’s more difficult to spot the difference between sincere idiocy and satire 🤷
Maybe learn to read a room?
So making fun of bootlickersin a room full of people who don’t like bootlickers is a bad thing now?
Or are you just expecting people to be too stupid to spot the differences between playing a loathsome persona for laughs and being a loathsome person?
Satire isn’t just ‘say a ridiculous thing and hope people don’t take it seriously’. There’s supposed to be an element of commentary. This guy is basically just a pro billionaire bot spitting out what they actually believe.
Yeah, you clearly haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. If you’d had just a cursory glance at their comment history you’d have found such gems as “ABUB: Always Be Union Busting” and this one:
Under capitalism I allow my workers no such thing, they must toil physically for a full work day and if I catch a whiff of complaint or dissent, I threaten them with unemployment. Not only will the trenches not dig themselves but my profits don’t come out of thin air. I need them to work extra hard so I can pay off my second sailing yacht (one stays in the carribean, the other in the med) this year and put a down payment on a third (south pacific).
What, is this your alt or something? You’re really licking this guys butthole over some mediocre ‘satire’.
Are we supposed to check comment history every time we see some moron that’s bad at satire make a comment that’s identical to actual bootlicker rhetoric?
It’s a parody account, you dumb fucks
Pull the sticks out of your asses for christ sake
He who gets his laughs by pretending to be an idiot will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they’re in good company.
Is your autistic ass really arguing against the entire concept of satire and parody?
Dude we get it. Shitty “satire” account is your alt and shitty satire is shitty satire. Find a new hobby, because you suck at satire.
You’ve accused like 3 people of being this dude’s alt
Maybe just admit you enjoy sharp sticks up your butt?
Which is fine, but keep your dysfunction to yourself.
When you have to point out that something is satire, it’s pretty dogshit satire.
Or your audience is fuckin stupid
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Uhhhh what?! Lol the car manufacturers made $32 billion in profit last year. A record amount. Are you honestly going to say there’s not enough money to pay their works a livable wage? The union isn’t even being out of line for what they are asking for. 400,000 workers even devided across everyone equally (which isn’t what the are asking.) would be $80,000 a year. That’s a life changing amount of money for those workers cbd would do better in their hands, apposed to a few executives and owners. However, that’s not even close to what they are asking for! So you are lying or dumb.
The car manufacturers need that profit to distribute to their shareholders, or do stock buyback or whatever best benefits the share price etc. By doing so they are helping the whole economy and that money will eventually trickle down to the little guys in some form or another.
For example: instead of giving all that money to the greedy UAW, GM can use it to buy back their stock. The price of the stock and the net worth of the people who own most of it therefore goes up. They borrow against that stock for a new yacht in the Mediterranean and use it to visit a charming seaside village in Greece or Italy. They eat at the nicest restaurant in the nicest resort in that village.
Now, you see how that money helped the villagers who otherwise never would have seen a dime of it? The auto workers aren’t going to spend any of that money in Greece or Italy. Not to mention support the families of boat-makers, boat-loan-processors etc along the way.
“oh well someone please think of the poor shareholders and executives making millions off other peoples labor!”
The is no trickle down. It’s been 70 years of that crap and it gets more moronic every time. There is no evidence that high executive pay or shareholder payouts benefits the economy. Just out right lies. What the Villiers should do is murder the people hording resources and spend their vacations in Greece and Italy.
Way to go. Bring them down on their knees. Force them to share. They’ve proven they will never share the wealth with the workers unless forced to.
