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We are not sustainable And neither is any other device maker. This industry is full of “feel good” messaging, but generates 50 million metric tons of e-waste each year. We believe the best way to reduce environmental impact is to create products that last longer, meaning fewer new ones need to be made. Instead of operating on feels, we operate on data and actions. With funding from Intel, we commissioned Fraunhofer IZM to do a detailed life cycle analysis (LCA) on Framework Laptop 13 to help us understand where we are today and where we can continue to improve. Check out our thoughts on reducing environmental impact and download the LCA report here…
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I am not in the market for a new laptop at the moment, but my next one is very likely to be a Framework. At least if they decide to add Nordic keyboard and support shipping to Denmark.
Yeah that’s my attitude as well. I have no need for a laptop at the moment. It’s a want, but I have bigger expenses to worry about at the moment. In a year or two when I feel like it’s time I’ll likely go with them.
Last I checked some months ago they haven’t entered the EU market and don’t have near term plans to :(
They also don’t recommend importing as that kind of defeats the purpose seeing as you’ll be unable to easily source parts or even get support, maintenance or warranty
I know. That is partly why I don’t intend to buy one before they support the EU.
They are active in some EU countries
I love them and I honestly hope they succeed. Honestly, which other manufacturer is as fair and as consumer friendly?
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A modem!? Does your ThinkPad also have an IR blaster? 🤣
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It’s not useful for most, but for some it’s irreplaceable. Just like the old serial port. For most people it feels archaic, but for industrial use it’s as present as USB is. ThinkPads cater to a huge audience, consisting mostly of technical people.
Check what facts? No model number was provided. The ThinkPad spans decades. We don’t even know if this is an IBM era or Lenovo era Thinkpad.
That it has e-SATA would put it in the Lenovo-era, possibly one of the models that still had the IBM badging.
For the humor-impaired, there were also ThinkPads with an IrDA port too.
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Or they were making a joke about ridiculous things that engineers were putting in all kinds of random devices for a while there and you got huffy about it.
We don’t know your life or what you know. And not all of us are memorizing old laptop models or care enough to look them up.
Conversation can be light and fun and not all pedantic technical documents like we’ve all been replaced by machines already
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It’s not okay to make ironic comments damaging my post’s credibility.
By someone trying to make a casual joke to make conversation? Holy moly dude, tell me you don’t get much socializing in with less words next time.
I feel like the modem held on in laptops far too long. By the Windows 95 era, most modems were just weird sound cards that put most of the work onto the CPU to convert the data into sounds. They were dirt cheap, so laptop manufacturers could keep them there for the hell of it.
Oh god I forgot those existed. They were always terrible, even for modem technology. I remember having to help my mom’s friend with her Emachine with one of those and the drivers were a trainwreck.
It’s unfortunate that the Framework modules aren’t quite big enough. They can’t put two USB-A ports side by side on one module, and there apparently isn’t enough room for the USB hub electronics, anyway. Just a bit wider and they’d make it.
Still the best laptop I’ve owned.
To be fair, all these ports put together can’t match a single USB-4 in bandwidth. And I get they are pretty useful to avoid dongles, but I bet your ThinkPad (with that many ports I’m guessing a W or T, maybe 30 series?) weights more than a framework and a competent USB-C hub.
(But I love the ergonomics of old ThinkPads, that’s why my x201 gets almost as much use as my T480)
I have toyed with the thought of framework laptops a few times. But the pricing is just too high. I rather buy used company laptops ~3 years afterwards and get way cheaper high quality laptop. Plus, buying used is pretty much always better than buying new in an environmental sense.
I’ve never used one of their computers or even seen one in the flesh, but from what I’ve seen they look cool and I will consider them next time I need a new laptop. But for now I’ll reduce e-waste by using my old Acer Chromebook with Linux until it kicks the bucket.
I like the aim and ethos, but not so much the design (other than interesting modularity) and certain things rub me the wrong way. And the pricing is just very out of line.
In the end, I’ll just continue to do what I have been and keep old laptops running as long as possible. Have been using old IT-recycled housings or eBay purchases of “just the right thing” and swapped parts around, rebuilt the OS, etc. That’s where much of the fun is anyway, heh.
I do wish the Fairphone were easier to come by in the US, tho.
And the pricing is just very out of line.
It’s not really. You’re just used to subsidized pricing. Framework doesn’t give you a computer with bullshit anti-malware trial things or whatever other bullshit manufacturers install these days plus Microsoft bulk pricing. If you compare the a Dell Inspiron 5630 to the a similarly spec’d framework, the framework is only like $100-150 more dollars.
The number one problem of modern appliance is indeed longevity I’d say. The so called “planned obsolescence” is probably what mainly drives or consumption of electronics and, accordingly, our production of e-waste. But Framework might just be saying that for green washing purposes.
if i need a new laptop i’d save for a framework laptop
They don’t have the specs that I want, so… Not for me.
These laptops look extremely affordable and I like how modular they are. The next time I need to replace my laptop I’ll probably go with Framework.
My laptop is 4 years old at this point. I spent $2400 on it before I wanted something future proof, and while it’s still plenty fast with it’s 10th gen Intel processor and 32gb ram, knowing that I could drop $500 and upgrade to the latest AMD or Intel chip makes me wish I could have held out another year and gotten the framework.
Given that we’ve more or less peaked in terms of non-gaming performance I probably won’t be buying another laptop until this one dies but my next laptop will be a framework without question as well.
There will certainly be things that make both games and non-games faster. We’re not at the limit of packaging density yet, and a lot of non-gaming workloads can take more advantage of multiple cores. Games tend to only take advantage of the number of cores available to them in whatever the latest generation of consoles have.
That said, laptops tend to get bounded by their ability to get rid of heat more than anything else. My Framework (an Intel 1280P) underclocks itself to 3GHz under sustained loads (from a max of 4.8GHz). Top end CPU is a bit of a waste with the amount of space it could possibly use to cool itself.
When i ordered mine, they didnt have a US version. So i ordered a German model, and a keyboard (the German Model was overstock and discounted). And just swapped the keyboard.
It took about 30 minutes and probably 100 screws but it was simple.
If I need a new laptop, I’ll most likely get a Framework. Not only the upgradability repairability, but the upgradability is second to none.
The one complaint I have is that the Ethernet module sticks out of the device. Seems like an oversight to make them so thin so they can’t fit an RJ-45 port. Maybe they’ll develop a module with a little flap like seen on some thin laptops with an RJ-45 port.
I find it acceptable to use a usb-c dongle for ethernet, even though I admit it’s not as good as a properly integrated port. Overall the Framework 13-inch isn’t the best if you are looking for many I/O options. I own only 4 port-modules, buy even if I had more I don’t see myself swapping them more often than twice a year.
It’s certainly acceptable and more of a nitpick. I just find it super convenient to have Ethernet built-in. Not necessarily for desktop use (you’d probably use a USB-C/Thunderbolt dock with Ethernet anyways), but for activities like troubleshooting routers or other network devices. It’s very handy when you can just take your laptop and plug it right in without having to think about any dongles or adapters or whatever.
You can of course have a permanent RJ-45 port in the Framework laptop, it’s just not as aesthetically pleasing and the fact that it sticks out can cause issues with some sleeves or other cases.
I needed one and wanted one but unfortunately they don’t sell it in my country so I went with a macbook pro with the thinking that it will last me longer than anything else and that’s at least somewhat more eco friendly
Yea, back when I needed a laptop because my super old lenovo was on its death bed, it was when there was a chip shortage or whatever and System76 didn’t have the laptop I wanted in stock and Framework didn’t exist (i dont think? or it wasn’t shipping anytime soon) so I went with the a m1 macair. This this is incredibly in terms of price/perf & power/perf. I get tons of battery time. It’s insanely fast, doesn’t get hot at all and the build quality is better than any laptop I’ve owned to date. I probably wont need another laptop for a couple more years at least and I’ve had this since 2020.
When I upgrade to something else, I’ll probably hand this down to my wife or her mom tbh. So in terms of eco friendly, its going to get 6+ years of use most likely if not 10.
I think they need to hurry and offer it in more countries. Been seeing the “we don’t sell in your country” message for too long now.
I got one of the first gen models, and I have been totally sold ever since. Yeah, there are laptops with more ports, but it’s harder to find a laptop with a wider variety of ports.
I love that the laptop is customizable and totally serviceable. As someone who has been dismantling and fixing their own laptops for a long time, watching the industry get more and more unfriendly has been disheartening.
Framework is a breath of fresh air. Even if they fail eventually, I will still be happy to have given them my money because this is an incredible laptop. Excited to see the 16.
I think they’re the go-to company if you want to get a laptop in 2023. I got my unit back in 2021 and used it every day since, and it has taken quite a beating. It went though several light impacts and one big drop but the only thing to show for it is a small dent on the back.
My only two complaints are
- After a year, the USB-C cable supplied with the laptop started to split open. I don’t know if this is only a defect in early batches but it’s worth noting.
- Suspend on Linux is an issue. Linux works great but it doesn’t suspend properly. Putting in this command as root
echo "deep" > /sys/power/mem_sleepwhich makes your system use deep sleep instead of s2idle which solved the issue but waking up from suspend is now 8-10 seconds instead of 2 seconds.
I expect these hardware issues and more to be fixed on newer boards and the framework 16 but I’ll continue to use my 13 and upgrade to an AMD board and use my intel board to make a mini PC. There’s really no reason to buy Dell, HP, or Lenovo anymore now that framework exist and has delivered on all their promises.
That sounds annoying, but manageable. To be fair, I’ve never had a Linux system that did suspend gracefully, so I’ve started to suspect it’s more a software issue with Linux in general.
I’m going to get one for my next laptop.
This is the only reason I haven’t bought one yet. I have no use/need for a new laptop, but really like the idea at the very least over… every other manufacturer really.
Being able to choose/swap out ports alone would be fantastic.
Same. I love my Thinkpad and absolutely will continue to buy them but I really like what framework is doing.
