To do: When or if I decide to visit Klanada, my main goal is to release the maelstrom of piss at the UKKKrainian SS monument that I’ll likely have held in since flying out of either Tallinn or Johannesburg, wherever I happen to be living at the time. Gotta pump up the list of countries to get banned from lol
It’ll definitely get you banned. Defacing Ukranian Nazi monuments is investigated as a hate crime here, long before the war ever started.
Getting a citation literally for “racism against Nazis” would be quite hilarious. I’ll frame it and put it on my wall.
These are the people who talk about Trump as if he literally is Hitler
You see its actually very nuanced
stalin shouldn’t have stopped at berlin
Its almost as if the Ukranians hated the Soviets and wanted to free themselves of Russian oppression…sure signing up with the SS wasn’t the most optimal way to do that, but honestly can they be blamed?
Liberals hate socialists more than they hate fascists
this one HOLY shit
We’d write that as a joke, a strawman of what they think
The Ukraine SSR was literally created by the Soviets! The Banderite Ukrainian nationalists were ethno-supremacists which is why they wanted to claim Poland so bad! These people don’t know anything!
Yeah, one of the Banderite’s issues was that there were too many non-Ukrainians in Ukraine. And since “Ukrainian” as an ethno-nationalist identity was on even sketchier grounds than most entho-nationalist phrenological bullshit that was most of the people in the Ukrainian SSR.
but honestly can they be blamed?
Yeah actually they can, you’re signing up with an SS brigade full of fucking nazis you bird brain.
but honestly can they be blamed?
yepWell yeah. How often do you hear “the nazis were bad but so were the communists” or even “Hitler killed x amount of people but Mao killed 2x amount of people”? The obvious conclusion for them is to hail Hitler.
the ukranians
ah yes, the ukranians as a whole with their unified ideology. how many ukrainians were in the red army compared to Literally The SS?
It’s important to note that
was Ukrainian and that she defeated more than 300 V*ushites in the marketplace of ideas, using her honed argumentum ad MosinAnd yet, where is her statue?
Probably turned into a Mrs. Butterworth or something
oh fuck, that reminded me of the statue of Lenin that they turned into Darth Vader
Perfect intersection of Disney Lib Cringe with Fascist anti-communism
It’s probably a crime to put up a statue of Pavlichenko under the anti-communist laws propagating in Eastern Europe.
also the Jewish people living in Ukraine that they massacred were Ukrainian
Very clear that they literally don’t view Jews and Poles living there as Ukrainian.
your honor, my client hates Russians, so can he really be blamed for murdering hundreds of Jewish people?
And Poles.
Signing up for the SS actually was the most optimal way to defeat the soviets. Fascism is rational, it is the most effective tool to destroy communism. Once these radlibs figure this out, most of them will become full throated fascists
Less “become” and more “the fascist inside them will finally shed its lib disguise”
This is literally Baltic States history talking points
Ukraine and the Baltics are easily the most cuck nations on Earth
They are “nations” alright
Asking everyone to spam my copypasta about wearing “pro Ukraine” attire to a synagogue in liberal spaces https://hexbear.net/post/674047
My grandpa was a tower guard at Auschwitz. Yes he volunteered for the position, but he didn’t do any Nazi shit. He never shot anyone, gassed anyone, talked to anyone, or touch anyone. He just had his scope on any jew walking around the yard. He never committed a single war crime.
you don’t meet a decent nazi every day
The Soviet Red Army made sure they met many when they liberated the camps.
I don’t go grave digging every day
Can you please make reddit links go to old.reddit or teddit
Pleasssse
can we please make reddit links crash your computer and format your disks
and redirect it to
And eject you from your seat like an f-35 pilot onto the nearest patch of grass
did you hear the 911 call ???
adorable …
And crash your computer in a forest a hundred kilometres away
Nazism understander has logged on:
tldr: They signed on just to liberate themselves from soviet oppression and they weren’t doing it out of love for nazi ideology.
How does that poser explain the genocide against tens or hundreds of thousand of people assigned to be non Ukrainians? Polish people as example. Genociding them or Jews, Roma* Sinti*, LGBT* does sound very much like Fascist ideologies.
Giving into the oppressive Soviet demand to not commit genocide would mean communism had won.
holy shit the Ukrainian SS literally murdered entire villages of Jewish people. their warcrimes are documented at length. this isn’t forbidden knowledge
“They did a Nazism but according to my headcanon they did it reluctantly so that makes it okay, guize!”
they meant well
Their hatred for communists aligned with Hitler’s, hence why they signed up.
Yeah, its not like Stalin didn’t do a little genocide against them previously, no no.
Funny how often libs’ claims about the Soviet famine of 30-33 are used to engage in Nazi apologia… starting to wonder if that’s the whole reason they keep making them
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If there are 9 people and 1 Nazi sitting at a table…
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From the Wikipedia entry they linked:
However, numerous accusations of impropriety have been leveled at the division
“Impropriety” Jesus Christ, talk about mincing your words! This is the Waffen SS. They weren’t just saying offensive things in public ffs.
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molotov-ribbentrop pact: see? those soviets are just like nazis
literally fighting for the nazis: ummmmm they didn’t really do nazi stuff… honestly can you blame them tho
Poland helping Nazis carve Czechoslovakia: whatever
USSR invading Poland after the Nazis did: Never forget
Ukraine joining Nazis to fight USSR: whatever
Hmmm it seems the common denominator is that Russia bad and nothing else
*dresses in Nazi uniform*
“I’m gonna own the tankies so hard!!”
this was more or less just Mussolini
It’s not even Czechlosovakia. The Nazis murdered six million Polish citizens and modern Polish fascists are red, mad, and nude that the Soviets stopped them. Half the time it sounds like they would have let Hitler exterminate the entire Polish ethnicity as long as he let them finish off all Polish Jews first. They weigh 40k people killed at Katyn more heavily than the Nazi’s murder of 3 million Poles and 3 million Polish Jews. It’s absolutely unhinged, ethnonationalism contorting the world in to an utterly bizarre fever dream of frothing ideological hatred.
I know a Pole who solemnly marks the day Molotov-Ribbentrop was signed as the darkest day in Polish history because that was the day the Soviets invaded. They also legitimately believe the Soviets were so bad that they only consider the end of WW2 to be the day the Soviets left in the 80s or whenever it was.
There are few people as absolutely unhinged in their hatred of Russians than Poles.
It’s so bizarre. The Soviets are very literally the primary reason a Polish ethnicity still exists. The Nazis would have exterminated them. And preventing that is the greatest crime in human history according to fascists in Poland.
This is something that kind of fucks me about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. There were no death camps in Soviet areas of Poland. Didn’t this famous “Supervillain Team-up” (in the eyes of liberals) actually save a ton of Jewish people? Would liberals rather the Nazis have taken all of Poland, with the expanded Holocaust that would lead to?
“Would you rather the nazi’s have taken all of Poland?” is a point liberals cannot understand. “I’d rather the nazi’s have taken none of Poland” yeah, okay, but that’s not how they work, so the question comes back to “would you rather they took all of it?”
A video covering Trotsky from a YouTuber who covers dark chapters in history just dropped and some lib was like “I think if Trotsky was in power instead of Stalin that the USSR would have stopped the Nazis earlier”
Bruh. You’re really out here claiming that Stalin didn’t press the Stop Nazis button early enough?
These clowns have zero grasp of material conditions. Trying to stop the Nazis from taking all of Poland would have been cause for war almost certainly. Attempting to stop the Nazis earlier would have undoubtedly been the defeat of the USSR because, in all honesty, they just barely scraped it in at the last minute and going too hard too soon would have been to their demise.
These are the people who complain that the USSR didn’t help the Spanish Republic “enough”, despite being just about the only country to provide any significant military aid to the Republic. (Strange how their criticisms of the socialist USSR never seem to stretch far enough to reach the so-called socialist Leon Blum [in effect he was just another example of milquetoast SocDem failsons] and his government who not only refused to provide aid to the Spanish Republic but also refused to enforce the terms of the non-aggression pact to which they were signatories to along with the Nazis and the Italian fascists [to the point where an Italian diplomat openly declared to Blum that there was an Italian regiment operating in Spain and that it “would not be removed under any circumstances”]); the Spanish Civil War was prelude to WWII and the USSR absolutely could not afford for a “national” conflict (putting aside the international involvement and the major influence of Morocco on the war for a vain attempt at brevity here) to spill out into a regional European war or, worse yet, to spiral out into another world war at that time.
They just don’t seem to grasp how dire the situation was for the USSR, how close a call it was during WWII, and yet they’ll denounce the USSR for ruthlessly sending troops to the slaughter on the frontlines in WWII “with one rifle between two soldiers”, without a single moment to consider that an earlier engagement in WWII for the USSR would have meant a far greater death toll because they would have been even more underequipped and less technologically advanced.
These people treat history like dilettantes. They fancy themselves as main characters and they project this attitude back out over history, with all the benefits of hindsight, and they armchair quarterback so they can put on airs of being some sort of historical and geopolitical hotshot.
All the benefits of hindsight without any of the practical application when it comes to current events. “It’s obvious this was going to happen” yeah, what were the events that happened prior to the topic of discussion, and how does that relate to it being an inevitablility? Nothing happens in a vacuum, explain how we got here.
What gets me is that these people think that it’s just obvious how history was always going to play out (it really isn’t) but the also have a tendency to think that some small intervention or minor adjustment would dramatically change the course of world history (most of the time it probably wouldn’t have.)
It’s a weird sort of doublethink where they believe that history is just so but at the same time they believe that it’s also extremely mutable.
I guess that’s what zero materialism does to an MFer.
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to be fair there is definitely a case to be made that Trotsky’s permanent revolution would have involved arming Rosa Luxemburg and fighting the nazis before they took over Germany. But this is in the realm of alternate history
there is a case, but not a very good one
That’s just ahistorical. Trotsky’s idea of permanent revolution was not clearly defined till later, but more importantly, the Bolsheviks did attempt to assist the Spartakus League. Despite negotiating it, Trotsky had been opposed to Brest-Litovsk which created the conditions for a lot of demobilized soldiers as well as Germany focusing on a spring offensive westward now that they had no eastern front. An offensive that caused more discontent in the German people and soldiers and led to the revolution.
When Germany did revolt, it was premature and had various flaws, not helped at all by the fact that the expectation of simultaneous revolutions across developed Europe didn’t happen. The permanent revolution required everyone to be on the same page and level of capitalist development leading to a purely class based revolution.
That wasn’t reality though. By spring 1919 the major revolutionary outbreaks had been put down. The Soviets had no time or means to actually assist Rosa, and a lack of arms was not really the problem in the first place. The Soviets had no direct means of helping, at this time they had been struggling with Poland invading western Ukraine, the Bolsheviks in the rest of Ukraine being thrown back by a German occupation and then puppet government, and a bunch of other issues. By the time the move was made to spread westward most revolutions had been destroyed, and pushing the war with Poland after its invasion of Kiev proved wasteful.
It’s like saying there is a case to be made that they could’ve assisted the Battle of Blair Mountain.
they’ll denounce the USSR for ruthlessly sending troops to the slaughter on the frontlines in WWII “with one rifle between two soldiers”
Which, I cannot stress this enough, never happened and is anti-Soviet propaganda dreamed up post-war. Things were pretty fucking bad but it was never so bad that they didn’t have crates and crates of Mosins to hand out.
Trotsky couldn’t even be arsed to fully give public support to Czechoslovakia forming an alliance with the USSR. He would rather it fall than be saved if it would mean Stalin would look good
Much like their position that Ukraine is perfectly willing to negotiate peace terms, but first Russia has to completely withdraw from Donbass and Crimea. Just a complete disconnect from reality.
socialist Leon Blum
“Crimea is a strategically important warm water port and Russia will never relinquish it” might as well be Martian to them. There was a line on the map and that is literally the only consideration that matters. Try to tell them that Crimea wasn’t invaded because the entire Black Sea Fleet was already there when the coup government took over is like trying to teach calculus to macaques.
“Just withdraw!”
They’re fully entrenched, they’re not going to. Now what.
This is what happens after decades of red scare propaganda. Not surprising, but still scary to see how many people are instantly going “No, not all SS members were bad actually and communists were more evil than the literal nazis”
“didn’t do any Nazi shit”
Foreign SS (or adjacent) units are probably done “more shit” than the german SS unit because they recruited the locals to do the jobs that even the German SS find it too repulsive to do because counter insurrection and anti-partisan is mostly civilian terrorizing (to put it mildly). You can ask the Balkans about their Nazi collaboes and how even the Waffen SS are like “bro chill”.
Fun fact: some of them also ended up in Canada
Old Nazis, the New Right, and the Republican Party is great research on exactly this.
to do the jobs that even the German SS find it too repulsive to do because counter insurrection and anti-partisan is mostly civilian terrorizing
the regular ss did not have an issue with civilian terrorizing it was more that they couldn’t fit as much as they wanted to do into their schedules
Not All Nazis
not enough nazis
Stalin was, unironically, too soft on the Nazis after the war. I cannot fucking believe I just typed that sentence.
Correct if wrong, but didn’t FDR and (to a larger extent) Churchill throw a hissy fit when asked what to do about them?
Yeah…joking
FDR stormed out of the room and Stalin had to convince him that he was just joking about giving all German officers
pretty sure churhhill stormed out. fdr just laughed
yeah FDR laughed lol
Yeah FDR made the joke that got Churchill to talk out. He was not expecting FDR to joke about killing Nazis, he did expect Stalin to do that
oh, almost forgot
