Pricefield | Lemmy
  • Communities
  • Create Post
  • Create Community
  • heart
    Support Lemmy
  • search
    Search
  • Login
  • Sign Up
Nils to [email protected] • 2 years ago

Google's New Web Environment Integrity Proposal Dismissed by Brave, Mozilla, and Vivaldi

news.itsfoss.com

external-link
message-square
110
fedilink
  • cross-posted to:
  • [email protected]
  • [email protected]
  • [email protected]
  • [email protected]
974
external-link

Google's New Web Environment Integrity Proposal Dismissed by Brave, Mozilla, and Vivaldi

news.itsfoss.com

Nils to [email protected] • 2 years ago
message-square
110
fedilink
  • cross-posted to:
  • [email protected]
  • [email protected]
  • [email protected]
  • [email protected]
  • @[email protected]
    cake
    link
    fedilink
    117•2 years ago

    Will have to wait and see how Apple reacts with Safari. Mozilla dismissing the proposal is big, but Apple has the second largest mobile OS marketshare with iOS, and so Safari is very relevant for websites to support it.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      English
      29•2 years ago

      Doesn’t Safari already have their own version of this?

      • meseek #2982
        link
        fedilink
        48•
        edit-2
        2 years ago

        Lmao, no. Google is out of their minds. Apple has zero interest in controlling browsers or ads.

        https://money.cnn.com/2017/08/31/technology/business/apple-net-neutrality/index.html

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          45•2 years ago

          I’m sorry to disappoint you, but this is basically the same thing: https://blog.cloudflare.com/eliminating-captchas-on-iphones-and-macs-using-new-standard/

        • sik0fewl
          link
          fedilink
          33•2 years ago

          Then what’s this? https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-private-access-tokens-attestation/

          • meseek #2982
            link
            fedilink
            9•2 years ago

            A part of Apple’s long term, multi-stage deployment to phase out passwords entirely. They announced it last year during WWDC and said it will be messy and not without hurdles, but they’re committed to having strong cryptography without need for password at all.

            Related: https://www.wired.com/story/apple-passkeys-password-iphone-mac-ios16-ventura/

            A far cry from what Google is trying to do or their long term plans (we all know Google is trying to siphon more ad revenue).

            Google’s proposition is as bad for Apple as it is for the rest of us.

            • aberrate_junior_beatnik (he/him)
              link
              fedilink
              English
              13•2 years ago

              Passkeys (which are broader than just Apple) and this are not related at all. Regardless, Apple absolutely has interest in controlling browsers. Hell, they already do it on iOS, where you can’t use any rendering engine other than theirs.

              The only reason they might be against this is because they feel they can’t control it the way they want.

            • RandoCalrandian
              cake
              link
              fedilink
              2•2 years ago

              Curious how this push comes after fairly set standards that passwords can’t be compelled

            • @[email protected]
              link
              fedilink
              27•2 years ago

              Honest to god doublethink right here.

              • @[email protected]
                link
                fedilink
                2•2 years ago

                It’s crazy when I see it. And I see it far too often these days.

            • @[email protected]
              link
              fedilink
              1•
              edit-2
              2 years ago

              I don’t think it’s related at all. You can implement passwordless technologies like FIDO2 and Webauthn without browser attestation.

              A far cry from what Google is trying to do or their long term plans

              It’s literally very similar technology though, and none of us know Apple’s long-term plans for it. It’s well-known in the digital ad industry that Apple are trying to increase the size of their ad network. Locking down tracking (app tracking transparency) is also advantageous to them as it only applies to third parties - Apple can still track users.

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          10•2 years ago

          https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-private-access-tokens-attestation/

        • 𝕸𝖔𝖘𝖘
          link
          fedilink
          English
          100•2 years ago

          From the article:

          “We work hard to build great products, and what consumers do with those tools is up to them — not Apple, and not broadband providers,” Cynthia Hogan, VP of public policy at Apple

          Prove it, then. Unlock the bootloader. Allow us to install our own apps. Let us install our own OS on the hardware. I get they don’t want to open source their iOS, that’s fine. They say “what consumers do with those tools is up to them”, but then they lock those tools down TIGHT. Actions speak much louder than words. They say those tools are ours? They need to show us that this is true.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        8•
        edit-2
        2 years ago

        They do indeed: https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-private-access-tokens-attestation/

        From the article:

        The focus here is primarily on removing captchas, and as such it’s been integrated into Cloudflare (discussed here) and Fastly (here) as a mechanism for recognizing ‘real’ clients without needing other captcha mechanisms.

        Fundamentally though, it’s exactly the same concept: a way that web servers can demand your device prove it is a sufficiently ‘legitimate’ device before browsing the web.

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          4•2 years ago

          So basically boiling frog slowly.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        2•2 years ago

        not to my knowledge

[email protected]

[email protected]
Create a post
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: [email protected]

A nice place to discuss rumors, happenings, innovations, and challenges in the technology sphere. We also welcome discussions on the intersections of technology and society. If it’s technological news or discussion of technology, it probably belongs here.

Remember the overriding ethos on Beehaw: Be(e) Nice. Each user you encounter here is a person, and should be treated with kindness (even if they’re wrong, or use a Linux distro you don’t like). Personal attacks will not be tolerated.

Subcommunities on Beehaw:

  • Free and Open Source Software
  • Programming
  • Operating Systems

This community’s icon was made by Aaron Schneider, under the CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.

  • 33 users / day
  • 140 users / week
  • 554 users / month
  • 2.2K users / 6 months
  • 2 subscribers
  • 3.83K Posts
  • 67.2K Comments
  • Modlog
  • mods:
  • alyaza [they/she]
  • TheRtRevKaiser
  • @[email protected]
  • Leigh
  • @[email protected]
  • rs5th
  • TheRtRevKaiser
  • Chris Remington
  • UI: 0.18.4
  • BE: 0.18.2
  • Modlog
  • Instances
  • Docs
  • Code
  • join-lemmy.org