Ds9 is falling in my estimation and has been for some time. It committed several grave sins, among them introducing latinum and section 31. It also has a strong dose of what @[email protected] might call “Adults In The Room Making Hard Choices”
Almost everyone that likes DS9 on the internet seems to chant “DAE IN THE PALE MOONLIGHT” and that’s kind of sus to me. I’m not saying the episode was bad as much as it’s sus to be that excited about its “Adults In The Room” messaging.
The even worse example is “For the Uniform” where Sisko does a war crime specifically against anti-fascist guerillas. And most people I see talking about it, even here, defend his actions as necessary Adult In The Room Hard Choices.
I agree with you. I just hear more about “DAE IN THE PALE MOONLIGHT” from the “you’re a child if you’re not enjoying Rick Berman’s Adults In The Room Making Hard Decisions” war crime apologia side of the fandom.
Also, I hate the diagetic essentialist “Thermian Argument” that just because the narration claims that atrocities were necessary that they were the only way that could have worked.
I blocked that user prior to the fall, resurrection and sanctification and I’ll keep it that way. Introducing Latinum and Section 31 are ‘sins’ I guess if you’re a child who needs all their media to be didactic. Latinum is shown to only be valued by those who value it and those who don’t use it don’t seem any worse off, if anything better and section 31 was handled pretty well in ds9, later stuff may have done a bad job and it should have stayed in ds9 but that doesn’t fault the show itself. It’s got here and there issues but I kinda like that star fleet is shown fromsn outside perspective as kinda naive plant pompous jerks, cause they fucking are. I’ve got criticisms of the show but damn are they totally not the ones you have.
Most star trek isn’t good communist propaganda. Ds9 has the bell riots and Bar Association as well as endorsing terrorism as a liberation tactic. Id say it’s a hell of a lot more communist propaganda than most of star trek. Do you want tng’a first Teo seasons? Cause that seems to be what you’re asking for here.
That’s fair and me too, if it wasn’t gonna come in at less episodes than 3 seasons of tng I’m sure it’d easily surpass tng. I feel this with most shows but like decks especially would have benefitted from alike 5 more episodes per season, more room for ideas and less pressure to cram it all into one episode, comedy is better ejen given dome breathing space plot wise
The network 25 standard was for sure too much for staff at the time buuuuut they also had to turn it around each year 10 episode shows are getting double that time. 15 a year or 20 every 2 seems like a reasonable compromise. I really miss when a serialized show was still.comprised of episodes with their own stories and the big plot was kinds here and there in between with big plot episodes coming like 6 times a season.
“You’re a child if you dislike Rick Berman’s forced inclusions of money and dudebro war crimes apologia, because a sex pest that drove Terry Farrell off the show and killed her character because she didn’t tolerate her creeping on him is the Adult In The Room and disliking his slop inclusions is childish.”
Oh, I’m so blocked. If that user would stop proudly announcing that and bravely rehashing a tired old “u r child” personal attacks while blocking to avoid seeing responses, I wouldn’t mind at all.
Covert Rick Berman apologist detected. Even apologism for the latinum which was also Rick Berman’s “moneyless future is stupid actually” deliberate inclusion as far as he could get away with. How dare “children” criticize the inclusions from the “Adult In The Room” that creeped on Terry Farrell until he forced her to quit the show and killed off her character as punishment for not liking being creeped upon.
I hate Rick Berman I hate Rick Berman I hate Rick Berman. Every bad trend we see in nuTrek really did start with Berman Trek.
One of the many great things Lower Decks did was when Cerritos visited DS9 and Boimler extremely obviously just did not give a shit about latinum at all.
It checks out that Rick Berman also hated children and used “childish” and “children” to speak down to people he didn’t like. The fact that the Enterprise-D had children on board, including schools and such for them, enraged him because his war fixation didn’t have room for that.
Which reminds me actually, one of the worst Star Trek opinions I’ve ever seen from a hexbear user was that Keiko should’ve had an arc of converting to the Bajoran faith. Just doubling down on the character assassination Berman already did to her.
It’s in reaaaaaal close constest with tng for my 2 spot behind the unmoving ds9. The lack of episodes kinda makes the difference for me
Ds9 is falling in my estimation and has been for some time. It committed several grave sins, among them introducing latinum and section 31. It also has a strong dose of what @[email protected] might call “Adults In The Room Making Hard Choices”
Almost everyone that likes DS9 on the internet seems to chant “DAE IN THE PALE MOONLIGHT” and that’s kind of sus to me. I’m not saying the episode was bad as much as it’s sus to be that excited about its “Adults In The Room” messaging.
The even worse example is “For the Uniform” where Sisko does a war crime specifically against anti-fascist guerillas. And most people I see talking about it, even here, defend his actions as necessary Adult In The Room Hard Choices.
I agree with you. I just hear more about “DAE IN THE PALE MOONLIGHT” from the “you’re a child if you’re not enjoying Rick Berman’s Adults In The Room Making Hard Decisions” war crime apologia side of the fandom.
Also, I hate the diagetic essentialist “Thermian Argument” that just because the narration claims that atrocities were necessary that they were the only way that could have worked.
I blocked that user prior to the fall, resurrection and sanctification and I’ll keep it that way. Introducing Latinum and Section 31 are ‘sins’ I guess if you’re a child who needs all their media to be didactic. Latinum is shown to only be valued by those who value it and those who don’t use it don’t seem any worse off, if anything better and section 31 was handled pretty well in ds9, later stuff may have done a bad job and it should have stayed in ds9 but that doesn’t fault the show itself. It’s got here and there issues but I kinda like that star fleet is shown fromsn outside perspective as kinda naive plant pompous jerks, cause they fucking are. I’ve got criticisms of the show but damn are they totally not the ones you have.
Not all media, but Star Trek specifically should be communist propaganda and any failure to be so is a failure to be good Star Trek.
Everything that is bad about the bad nutrek started with DS9.
Most star trek isn’t good communist propaganda. Ds9 has the bell riots and Bar Association as well as endorsing terrorism as a liberation tactic. Id say it’s a hell of a lot more communist propaganda than most of star trek. Do you want tng’a first Teo seasons? Cause that seems to be what you’re asking for here.
What I want is Lower Decks, unlimited Lower Decks.
That’s fair and me too, if it wasn’t gonna come in at less episodes than 3 seasons of tng I’m sure it’d easily surpass tng. I feel this with most shows but like decks especially would have benefitted from alike 5 more episodes per season, more room for ideas and less pressure to cram it all into one episode, comedy is better ejen given dome breathing space plot wise
The modern number of episodes per season is tragic in general
The network 25 standard was for sure too much for staff at the time buuuuut they also had to turn it around each year 10 episode shows are getting double that time. 15 a year or 20 every 2 seems like a reasonable compromise. I really miss when a serialized show was still.comprised of episodes with their own stories and the big plot was kinds here and there in between with big plot episodes coming like 6 times a season.
“You’re a child if you dislike Rick Berman’s forced inclusions of money and dudebro war crimes apologia, because a sex pest that drove Terry Farrell off the show and killed her character because she didn’t tolerate her creeping on him is the Adult In The Room and disliking his slop inclusions is childish.”
Oh, I’m so blocked. If that user would stop proudly announcing that and bravely rehashing a tired old “u r child” personal attacks while blocking to avoid seeing responses, I wouldn’t mind at all.
Covert Rick Berman apologist detected. Even apologism for the latinum which was also Rick Berman’s “moneyless future is stupid actually” deliberate inclusion as far as he could get away with. How dare “children” criticize the inclusions from the “Adult In The Room” that creeped on Terry Farrell until he forced her to quit the show and killed off her character as punishment for not liking being creeped upon.
I hate Rick Berman I hate Rick Berman I hate Rick Berman. Every bad trend we see in nuTrek really did start with Berman Trek.
One of the many great things Lower Decks did was when Cerritos visited DS9 and Boimler extremely obviously just did not give a shit about latinum at all.
It checks out that Rick Berman also hated children and used “childish” and “children” to speak down to people he didn’t like. The fact that the Enterprise-D had children on board, including schools and such for them, enraged him because his war fixation didn’t have room for that.
One of the good plots from DS9 was Keiko O’Brien fighting against then-Vedek Winn to keep reactionary religion from fucking up science education.
We barely got any Keiko after that though, especially in her role as a teacher. Not grim dark adults in the room enough for Berman.
Agreed, and I think that was a direct consequence of Berman’s hatred for children in general and “Adult In The Room” self-identification.
Which reminds me actually, one of the worst Star Trek opinions I’ve ever seen from a hexbear user was that Keiko should’ve had an arc of converting to the Bajoran faith. Just doubling down on the character assassination Berman already did to her.