they shouldn’t drop for allegations, nothing has been proven yet. as far as we know he never did anything and someone is falsely accusing. obviously once there’s proof they should stop working with him but if it’s just allegations then it’s too soon.
Yeah, a whole lot of women got together and coordinated their lies to take down their former hero. And their former hero says that it all happened like they said but they consented.
Plausible. Very plausible. You can’t trust those vagina-havers to tell the truth, can you? You can try, but they’ll just bleed all over it.
It’s interesting to see how fast everyone jumped on hating Amber despite the extremely long history of violence and abuse from Depp with multiple women. It’s crazy how the court of public opinion turned on her.
Why on Earth do you think I would consider anyone with multiple allegations of sexual assault and/or rape innocent? Unlike you, when there are multiple victims who do not know each other, I believe them.
He was fabulously rich and could hire the best lawyers around. Of course he got off.
Also, you are not found innocent in a court of law, you are found not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, which is entirely different.
And while we’re on this subject, O.J. Simpson murdered his wife.
You were absolutely not “just curious,” you were very obviously trying to do a gotcha. Please do not insult the small amount of intelligence I possess.
Refusing to publish someone’s work is not a punishment. He doesn’t have the right to be published.
Bad argument IMO. Of course that’s a punishment. If it was a case of people refusing to publish someone’s work for non sexual assault based reasons, we would consider it a punishment.
No. That is now how publishing works. Dark Horse is under no obligation to publish anyone’s work for any reason. It’s their money.
So this is not refusing to let a child play video games, this is refusing to buy a child a video game. And if you think that’s a punishment, you were one spoiled child.
Except he was already being published? This is a direct response to the allegations, so it’s defacto a punishment.
To continue the analogy, if a kid get a copy of the new Fifa game at Christmas every year, then one year he get into a fight or something and his parent decides not to buy him Fifa anymore as a direct consequence of that, then it is 100% a punishment.
They are taking a disciplinary action against them as a direct consequence of their actions. That’s by definition a punishment.
This isn’t punishment, since only states can can (legally) impose punishment. Also, the public is not a court, so they don’t have to adhere to judicial declarations of guilt. “Innocent until proven guilty” only concerns the state.
it’s not a legal punishment but it is very much still a punishment in effect. whether you are in court or not you should still work of off “innocent until proven guilty” for the same reason the courts do. it’s wrong to punish someone until you know for sure that they did something wrong.
You should actually read about the allegations because it’s a series of women who did not know each other independently telling similar stories when contacted, many with police reports filed just after their attacks or evidence shown they told their friends and family.
I’ve been a huge fan of Sandman ever since I was 14 and I have read nearly all of Gaimans work so this is all heartbreaking, but these allegations are numerous and credible.
there’s still no concrete proof though, which is my point. there may be a lot of similar accusations, but there have also been many instances of somebody being accused once and then a bunch of other people making their own false accusations trying to support the first one. I’m not trying to say he did or didn’t do it, what I am trying to say is it’s too soon to be cutting all ties because accusations are not proof on their own. false accusations are free and easy to make, and once you hear about the details of an accusation making a similar one is just as easy and still free.
I think it’s reasonable to cut ties now and make amends if he’s somehow found innocent. We’d all love for him not be a piece of shit and for these women to have not been assaulted, but I’m just saying it’s not likely.
How is it that all of these women who never met coordinated to slander him? And why? And why did they file police reports? And why does Gaiman admit this all happened but claims it was consensual?
Because you and others who keep suggesting maybe he’s innocent have not explained that.
Ah yes, the famous people who want to be humiliated publicly, accused of false allegations, and for most of the time absolutely no result.
People who side with potential rapists (yes, that’s what you do because you are assuming that it’s likely that the victims are lying) are always a delight.
Oh and you can’t punish someone legally for being only a potential rapist. Cutting off someone off your company or friend circle or whatever because they are likely a rapist is completely fine, legal methods were never meant to be applied to individuals.
they shouldn’t drop for allegations, nothing has been proven yet. as far as we know he never did anything and someone is falsely accusing. obviously once there’s proof they should stop working with him but if it’s just allegations then it’s too soon.
Yeah, a whole lot of women got together and coordinated their lies to take down their former hero. And their former hero says that it all happened like they said but they consented.
Plausible. Very plausible. You can’t trust those vagina-havers to tell the truth, can you? You can try, but they’ll just bleed all over it.
people make false accusations all the time dumbass, for all we know this could be another amber heard situation.
If you still think Depp didn’t abuse Heard then clearly no amount of evidence is enough for you.
It’s interesting to see how fast everyone jumped on hating Amber despite the extremely long history of violence and abuse from Depp with multiple women. It’s crazy how the court of public opinion turned on her.
Yep. A dozen Amber Heards who never met each other before telling very similar stories and even filing police reports. Very plausible indeed.
Damn boob-possessors ruin everything.
Hey squidy, how do you feel about Michael Jackson being “innocent” despite dozens of accusations?
Why on Earth do you think I would consider anyone with multiple allegations of sexual assault and/or rape innocent? Unlike you, when there are multiple victims who do not know each other, I believe them.
He was fabulously rich and could hire the best lawyers around. Of course he got off.
Also, you are not found innocent in a court of law, you are found not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, which is entirely different.
And while we’re on this subject, O.J. Simpson murdered his wife.
I was just curious, that glove doesn’t fit me buddy 😂.
You were absolutely not “just curious,” you were very obviously trying to do a gotcha. Please do not insult the small amount of intelligence I possess.
No if I wanted to do a gotcha I’d ask why you so upset about this considering he isn’t even the president of the United States.
the public’s knowledge of a given situation is rarely all there is to any story
irrelevant, it’s wrong to punish someone without proof.
Choosing not to associate with someone you find reprehensible is not punishment.
taking away someone’s sources of income are, and it’s wrong to do it without proof.
Refusing to publish someone’s work is not a punishment. He doesn’t have the right to be published.
If he still wants it published, there are plenty of vanity presses out there.
Bad argument IMO. Of course that’s a punishment. If it was a case of people refusing to publish someone’s work for non sexual assault based reasons, we would consider it a punishment.
Why does he have a right to be published by Dark Horse?
He doesn’t have the “right” to. But something not being a right doesn’t mean denying it isn’t a punishment?
Kids don’t have the “right” to play video games, but a parent can still punish their child by refusing to let them play them, no?
No. That is now how publishing works. Dark Horse is under no obligation to publish anyone’s work for any reason. It’s their money.
So this is not refusing to let a child play video games, this is refusing to buy a child a video game. And if you think that’s a punishment, you were one spoiled child.
Except he was already being published? This is a direct response to the allegations, so it’s defacto a punishment.
To continue the analogy, if a kid get a copy of the new Fifa game at Christmas every year, then one year he get into a fight or something and his parent decides not to buy him Fifa anymore as a direct consequence of that, then it is 100% a punishment.
They are taking a disciplinary action against them as a direct consequence of their actions. That’s by definition a punishment.
This isn’t punishment, since only states can can (legally) impose punishment. Also, the public is not a court, so they don’t have to adhere to judicial declarations of guilt. “Innocent until proven guilty” only concerns the state.
it’s not a legal punishment but it is very much still a punishment in effect. whether you are in court or not you should still work of off “innocent until proven guilty” for the same reason the courts do. it’s wrong to punish someone until you know for sure that they did something wrong.
tell it to dark horse, disney, amazon, and whoever else who’s apparently seen enough to be convinced that he’s toxic to the brand
You should actually read about the allegations because it’s a series of women who did not know each other independently telling similar stories when contacted, many with police reports filed just after their attacks or evidence shown they told their friends and family.
I’ve been a huge fan of Sandman ever since I was 14 and I have read nearly all of Gaimans work so this is all heartbreaking, but these allegations are numerous and credible.
there’s still no concrete proof though, which is my point. there may be a lot of similar accusations, but there have also been many instances of somebody being accused once and then a bunch of other people making their own false accusations trying to support the first one. I’m not trying to say he did or didn’t do it, what I am trying to say is it’s too soon to be cutting all ties because accusations are not proof on their own. false accusations are free and easy to make, and once you hear about the details of an accusation making a similar one is just as easy and still free.
I think it’s reasonable to cut ties now and make amends if he’s somehow found innocent. We’d all love for him not be a piece of shit and for these women to have not been assaulted, but I’m just saying it’s not likely.
it’s unreasonable because if he does turn out to be innocent, then you ruined someone’s livelihood for no reason.
This is not the message of a serious person. Imagine believing that N.G. needs more income.
So if you earn enough you should be okay with life ending slander?
People have died over accusations like these that have turned out to be false
How is it that all of these women who never met coordinated to slander him? And why? And why did they file police reports? And why does Gaiman admit this all happened but claims it was consensual?
Because you and others who keep suggesting maybe he’s innocent have not explained that.
Okay but none of that is evidence?
The idea of innocence until proven guilty is a corner stone of modern morality, and one we don’t throw out for any other crime.
Do you think we should apply this standard to to every crime, that if we have enough circumstantial evidence we should just assume someone is guilty?
Ah yes, the famous people who want to be humiliated publicly, accused of false allegations, and for most of the time absolutely no result.
People who side with potential rapists (yes, that’s what you do because you are assuming that it’s likely that the victims are lying) are always a delight.
Oh and you can’t punish someone legally for being only a potential rapist. Cutting off someone off your company or friend circle or whatever because they are likely a rapist is completely fine, legal methods were never meant to be applied to individuals.
Everyone is a potential rapist