TBH, it is very difficult to me differentiating between the different flavors of authoritarians.
Maybe someone can make an easy to understand comparison matrix? You know, “Kills people because they have a different opinion.”, “Suppresses minorities.”, etc.
Fascism, just like Communism or even a Dictatorships are not inherently bad.
We as humans key in on the oppressive authoritarianism of them as the evil in the system.
That’s why I’d recommend you lump them all together as “oppressive authoritarianism” until one of them proves us otherwise, and not to need to find the nuances between them to prove they’re bad.
Fascism, just like Communism or even a Dictatorships are not inherently bad.
Absolutely incorrect. Without getting into anything about the viability of a “good” dictatorship, that’s a different discussion… Fascism is absolutely inherently bad. The entire ideology is based on: lies, hatred, discrimination, oppression, censorship, unjust hierarchies, desire and ability to eliminate large swathes of their own population based on some inconsequential aspect of who they fundamentally are, etc.
It’s folly (at best… dangerous at worst) to equate fascism with far-left ideologies, or even include them in the same league when it comes to evilness.
Not a single aspect of socialism as it exists in theory, so to speak, is objectively bad/evil. What happens is evil people use it as a vehicle to seize power. On the contrary, fascism is evil to the core. There is not a single redeeming factor to it.
While you might not agree with the methods of the “far left” (I certainly don’t w.r.t. tankies), the ideology of socialism is based on: worker’s rights, egalitarianism, equity, social safety nets, mutual aid, etc.
Nothing about it “in theory” is anything remotely close to evil. Now compare that with fascism…
In their defense, if everyone was perfect everything would be perfect.
But you’re absolutely right. As long as humans are human there’s no way to separate human nature from authority. And as a result, any system that doesn’t strictly limit scope and authority is inherently bad.
In their defense, if everyone was perfect everything would be perfect.
Right, but fascism could not exist in that kind of world because it’s based, at least partially, on exploiting inequalities to turn citizens against an “other” (usually already-marginalized groups at first). So if “everyone was perfect,” there would never be the right conditions for fascism to take root.
There’s basically ideologues versus hateful people versus indifferent sociopaths (overlap is common)
I consider political ideologues and “technocrats” and extremely pedantic rule-following bureaucrats to be different flavors of ideologues (has a specific worldview they try to enforce / uphold)
Lemmy was created by a tankie, many of whose opinions I abhor.
As long as it’s FOSS and doesn’t inherently promote their beliefs, I will use the software.
I agree it’s not great and I’d prefer if it weren’t made by imbeciles
mbin is better.
Tankies are annoying, but they’re not on the same level as fascists.
Both facists and tankies have genocided disabled people and selectively killed anarchists.
As a disabled anarchist, they end up seeming pretty similar to me.
TBH, it is very difficult to me differentiating between the different flavors of authoritarians.
Maybe someone can make an easy to understand comparison matrix? You know, “Kills people because they have a different opinion.”, “Suppresses minorities.”, etc.
Fascism, just like Communism or even a Dictatorships are not inherently bad.
We as humans key in on the oppressive authoritarianism of them as the evil in the system.
That’s why I’d recommend you lump them all together as “oppressive authoritarianism” until one of them proves us otherwise, and not to need to find the nuances between them to prove they’re bad.
Absolutely incorrect. Without getting into anything about the viability of a “good” dictatorship, that’s a different discussion… Fascism is absolutely inherently bad. The entire ideology is based on: lies, hatred, discrimination, oppression, censorship, unjust hierarchies, desire and ability to eliminate large swathes of their own population based on some inconsequential aspect of who they fundamentally are, etc.
It’s folly (at best… dangerous at worst) to equate fascism with far-left ideologies, or even include them in the same league when it comes to evilness. Not a single aspect of socialism as it exists in theory, so to speak, is objectively bad/evil. What happens is evil people use it as a vehicle to seize power. On the contrary, fascism is evil to the core. There is not a single redeeming factor to it.
While you might not agree with the methods of the “far left” (I certainly don’t w.r.t. tankies), the ideology of socialism is based on: worker’s rights, egalitarianism, equity, social safety nets, mutual aid, etc.
Nothing about it “in theory” is anything remotely close to evil. Now compare that with fascism…
No offense but what the fuck are you even saying
Fascism is absolutely inherently bad, there is no removal of its evil, oppressive, and authoritarian traits after which anything is left.
In their defense, if everyone was perfect everything would be perfect.
But you’re absolutely right. As long as humans are human there’s no way to separate human nature from authority. And as a result, any system that doesn’t strictly limit scope and authority is inherently bad.
Right, but fascism could not exist in that kind of world because it’s based, at least partially, on exploiting inequalities to turn citizens against an “other” (usually already-marginalized groups at first). So if “everyone was perfect,” there would never be the right conditions for fascism to take root.
There’s basically ideologues versus hateful people versus indifferent sociopaths (overlap is common)
I consider political ideologues and “technocrats” and extremely pedantic rule-following bureaucrats to be different flavors of ideologues (has a specific worldview they try to enforce / uphold)