Summary
Donald Trump threatened to send American citizens convicted of vandalizing Tesla vehicles to El Salvador’s infamous Terrorism Confinement Center, labeling the vandals as “sick terrorist thugs” deserving 20-year sentences.
This statement followed a major vandalism incident in Ontario, Canada, where around 80 Tesla cars were damaged.
Trump’s comments coincide with controversy over his use of the 1798 Alien Enemies Act to deport migrants, halted by a court order.
The White House defended the deportation despite legal challenges, denying any violation of the court’s injunction.
I’m pessimistic about a lot of what people say Trump can’t do, but he definitely can’t do this one.
Edit: that’s enough of this community. Y’all are way worse than even the politics and tanky subs on Reddit. Jesus, y’all need some help. Count me as another ally you threw away because you can’t see past your own ignorance.
I want to agree with you, but why can’t he? The courts aren’t saying, “You can send these people to El Salvador because immigrants have fewer rights.” The courts are saying, “They have rights, you can’t send them there,” and his admin is ignoring them. What’s to stop an attempt to deport citizens?
I don’t want to be blackpilled, but public backlash hasn’t amounted to enough. Hopefully a greater public backlash will matter, but it seems like people don’t recognize how dire the situation really is.
Theoretically, the citizens of the US would stop him from doing that. It’s such an obvious an egregious violation of rights that (again, in theory) he would lose a lot of support over it and we’d potentially face riots and massive protests. This is probably what Trump wants though, so he and Musk have a reason to implement martial law and really take the mask off
There’s your problem. Have you not been paying attention lately? Half the citizens want this. Even among those that don’t, there’s no appetite for violent protests.
I’m starting to get hungry.
Sure, there will always be some number of people who support whatever evil shit he does, but it’s nowhere near half. Hopefully, the things he’s doing will activate people who normally tune out, because this is getting very serious, along with the people who did support him but are getting disillusioned. As ridiculous as it seems, their presence at town halls shows that, for some reason, a lot of people trusted him not to do this shit when they voted for him.
I honestly don’t think he would. Conservatives have proven themselves to be absolutely craven maniacs time and time again. He’s NEVER lost their support.
I agree with you
Lol do you live in USA? It’s literally a fascist state. There will be no riots or massive protests except maybe in support of genocide, etc.
I said “in theory,” several times. You even quoted me saying it.
Yes I live in the US. I’m not predicting anything. I was answering the question that was asked, sorry if I triggered your hate boner.
Pretty sure he’s already shipped legal green card holders already. At the very least it just takes a clerical error to label a citizen incorrectly to accomplish the same thing. And that was even in the face of a court order explicitly telling him not to do that. He just ignored it.
They’ve circumvented due process. Even if you are a US citizen, when do you get a chance to prove it?
Hint: you don’t
He can. They’re basically just kidnapping people and whisking them out of the country before they have time to get legal representation or take it to court. And if a court does manage to rule that the deportations are illegal, Trump’s forces ignore it and deport the people anyway. The only way to stop it is to physically obstruct the deportations, but who is doing that?
Trump has already started ignoring the courts. The rule of law no longer applies in the USA.
Game it out.
Say he does this.
Say someone sues. Say they rule against Trump. Say it’s appealed, all the way to the Supreme Court, eventually, and say they actually take the case and rule against him in, at best, a narrow 5-4 ruling.
That’s pretty unlikely. And the defendant will have been in prison a long time, already. And he could just bring them back without much fanfare, as this is a hundred controversies back.
And say he defies the order, especially if the Supreme Court refuses to take it… Then what? Is congress going to harass him for a immigration case? That is political suicide, and the congresspeople would be at real risk of physical retribution too.
This is what populist, fascist dictatorships do. They can’t get away with everything, but they constantly push the envelope and game the systems, hence the orders he is already starting to push.
Obama, Biden, Bush, even Trump on 2016 couldn’t do this because the political support from a base wasn’t there, but now it is.
How will they sue when they have no access to a lawyer, they’ve been picked up off the street, held in black sites incommunicado and then sent to these slave labour camps, never having gone near to a lawyer, a phone or a court?
The people being sent there now have not been convicted of a crime. I wouldnt even be confident that the people sending them into lifetime slavery know who they are. There could already be US citizens kidnapped into slavery for all anyone knows.
That’s the point, the whole chain is extremely unlikely.
He literally already did. Legal US residents were shipped off to a concentration camp with no trial or due process. This is despite a judge ruling that he “can’t.”
He can. He did. He will again if we let him.
Residents and citizens are not the same though. You cannot deport or exile a US citizen. If that happens there will be anarchy in the streets.
Youre either lying or stupid https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us-citizen-child-recovering-brain-cancer-deported-mexico-undocumented-rcna196049
Goddamn, you fuckers don’t even realize the context of the articles you linked. Hey Mr dumbass, they didn’t deport the US citizen girl, they had a choice to leave her abandoned in the US or take her with them as they got deported. While this is vile and cruel and worthy of causing civil unrest, she was not deported.
He’s already doing it.
I need an example of a US citizen being deported.
No you don’t. You need to prove everyone who was sent to a concentration camp received due process, which they absolutely did not receive because we don’t even have a list of everyone abducted and rendered by ICE.
Clearly you don’t know shit. The burden of proof is on the claimant.
You are missing the point that there are no rules or laws anymore. Legally, there is lots he cant do, but he keeps doing them anyway, because in his mind, legal is anything he gets away with. SCOTUS gave him immunity, and he intends to abuse and exploit it as much as he possibly can.
Until a US Citizen gets deported I’ll sit. I’ve been bombarded with people here saying it’s already happened, but no one can provide me with evidence. You’re all just fear mongering and that’s ridiculous. That’s the psychotic BS MAGA and conservatives do. All I’m seeing is leftists here doing the same and it’s pitiful.
I’m sure you’ll be muttering that to yourself on the plane to El Salvador.
Nah dawg, I have guns and will use them before it comes to that. I’m not trying to sound tough either.
I guess you’ll be muttering it to yourself six feet underground
At least I’ll have gone out on my own terms instead of whatever way it is you’ll go.
OK Tough Guy.
Nothing tough about it 😂. You’ll either kill or be killed if it comes to US citizens being deported and if I can take at least one fascist with me I’ve done my job as an American patriot.
Yes, we’re all very impressed with how tough you are, mister tough guy.
Haha, I don’t even know what you’re trying to argue anymore. I just plan to do the bare minimum. There’s nothing tough about that.
LOL if you think this way then you were never an ally.
🤣 and leftists wonder why we just keep losing.
If your support was conditional, then it was insincere. I don’t know what group you think you belong to, but you were never one of “us.” If you would like to be, you can make a good start by growing enough backbone to stand by whatever morals you have instead of “being an ally” and then “not an ally anymore” depending on whatever shit people say to you.
Hey, I see that you’re mad about the people responding to you, but it’s vital that you understand that the constitution is dead, the republic is over, we have a king now. We’re maybe, generously, months from Congress dissolving itself at Trump’s request. At this point, the Trump administration can and will do whatever they want; when there are no consequences for violating the law, the law does not exist. It’s up to us, the people, to make them second guess and wonder if there will be consequences- in a better scenario, they would know there would be consequences, but I think we’re past that.
All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
What are you doing then, or are you not a good person?
I’m not mad at all honestly, just disappointed. I would expect honesty and truth from this server, but all I get is doomer BS, insults, and false info. If y’all can’t even be honest you’re just another r/politics or r/conservative.
Have fun continuing to lose the country. If y’all can’t tell the truth and then downvote accurate context y’all are just as bad as MAGA. I want no part in either.
Rule number one of OpSec is if you’re gonna do something, don’t tell anyone. If they’re planning something that the government can/would consider illegal, saying something online is the stupidest thing you can do. Even if it’s as innocuous as planning to protest.
I’m layers deep in anonymity. I’m not worried about being found out for what I say.
I’m organizing with peaceful balkanization efforts. What about you?
Also, this IS the truth. Trump is already doing things that he can’t do, and the courts aren’t doing a great job of stopping him. There are no consequences, just finger wagging. As such, he has no reason whatever to obey or fear the courts. We’ve utterly abandoned holding powerful people accountable, to the detriment of us all.
I’ve been linked articles taken out of context and a ton of bad faith arguments here. I can tell this place isn’t for me.
Unfortunately all I can do in my area is protest and march. I don’t see how balkanization is going to help. Fracturing communities and turning them agro hasn’t seemed to help anyone.
I’m not talking about fracturing communities as much as breaking the federal government’s capacity for harm by separating it from revenue streams (blue states) and creating standalone states that are more responsive to the needs of their people.
Ah, so you’d throw away our union. That’ll work out great. It really is a bunch of tankies in this server. I was wrong when I said this place was like r/politics, it’s much worse.