I was leading a work group designing a new software. I tried to reach consensus, so everybody in the group would be satisfied with our decisions. But it didn’t work. Everybody was arguing even on simple questions and didn’t listen to arguments of others. Votings didn’t help too, because the minority was rising the same questions again and again, trying to convince others to join them and then re-vote. And nobody was satisfied. We were wasting time. But when I said that now I only listen to others and make decisions on my own, everybody was ok with that. Our meetings became productive. So, I don’t believe consensus is possible.
But it cannot be created; human nature makes it impossible. In particular, there will always be narcissists and other Cluster-B personalities to fuck up everything anarchists “create”.
Rules without authority: impossible to enforce. Rules agreed by everyone: impossible to exist.
Once again, you confuse authority with discipline. What is ruled by consensus don’t need to be enforced by authority.
I was leading a work group designing a new software. I tried to reach consensus, so everybody in the group would be satisfied with our decisions. But it didn’t work. Everybody was arguing even on simple questions and didn’t listen to arguments of others. Votings didn’t help too, because the minority was rising the same questions again and again, trying to convince others to join them and then re-vote. And nobody was satisfied. We were wasting time. But when I said that now I only listen to others and make decisions on my own, everybody was ok with that. Our meetings became productive. So, I don’t believe consensus is possible.
Consensus is really a function of group size.
I was in a group, there were 8 members we went back an forth for months to try come to decisions, it was not a great time and nothing was achieved.
Consensus is probably possible in groups of around 4-5
And when did this thing called consensus ever happened in the past 10000 years?
Haha ! good question, probably never happened…
That’s precisely the nature of progress: to create what doesn’t yet exist.
But, but Somalia!
But it cannot be created; human nature makes it impossible. In particular, there will always be narcissists and other Cluster-B personalities to fuck up everything anarchists “create”.
Read on Zapatistas or Rojava.