• rockerface 🇺🇦
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    1910 days ago

    Do the government and the police protect us, though? I’d like to request some proof of the basic premise.

    (Not from you personally, but as a counter-argument)

    • dustycups
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      16 days ago

      Slavery is illegal?
      I know there are failures everywhere (eg American prison system) but without the threat of state sponsored violence and a rules based system we get the worst kind of corruption.
      I’d rather live in Finland than Russia.

      • rockerface 🇺🇦
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        16 days ago

        Russia has way more state sponsored violence, though. That’s how you get more corruption, not less.

        • dustycups
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          16 days ago

          That’s why a rules based system is also needed.
          Police in Finland also have guns (I assume) but they the rules they follow are the written law, not what the “boss” says.
          People will always self organise. If we don’t have a formal representative democracy with all its quirky conventions (like not having the opposition assassinated) we end up with mob rule or tyranny. That might protect some but, in my opinion, allows less freedom for ordinary people.

          • dustycups
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            16 days ago

            PS: The level of actual violence isn’t relevant to any of this. A dictator, or a government, that is in full control only need the threat of violence.