• @[email protected]
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    9224 days ago

    I only see mockery of accelerationists, which I broadly support. Its 10 times easier to reform an existing government that to destroy and build a good one from scratch.

    • ceoofanarchism
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      824 days ago

      Not when the existing government is built to concentrate and protect current property relations. Sure have parallel structures built to replace what exists but don’t reform, revolt.

        • ceoofanarchism
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          424 days ago

          What? Goverment has always existed to protect property rights of the ruling class that’s basic. Anything else it does that appear to do anything else are either really about their real goal or hard fought bargains meant to prevent rebellion that always are viewed as temporary,

          • @[email protected]
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            524 days ago

            Goverment has always existed to protect property rights of the ruling class

            Edgy teenager take.

            Modern western governments were created with the intent of replacing the old ruling classes with a democratically elected government. Pay attention during history class.

            • ceoofanarchism
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              324 days ago

              I study actual history and read actual history books that critically examine history through various lens from Marxist, de-colonial and other authors and that does not line up with the middle school propaganda you were feed sorry. Democracy at least at first for only property owning white men because the merchants and rich capitalists got rich and powerful enough that the aristocracy was an enemy of theirs and no longer useful to hold real power. These voting rights slowly expanded in order to placate rebellious populations or gain supporters when necessary first all white men, then women on and on while never forgetting and always co-opting “democracy” to maintain their power.

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        2224 days ago

        Difficulty of reform aside, the pain and suffering that will come from societal collapse will be immense. The chance of successfully building a better system out of the crumbled remains is low. I don’t think it’s a great aspiration.

          • Chaotic Cookie
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            524 days ago

            Good people dying is bad, always! Even if it’s worth it in the end, we should try to find a way to save lives instead!

            • ceoofanarchism
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              524 days ago

              the way to save lives is to change the society that harms billions not prop it up because you lack the imagination to think of something better.

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                I agree that society is currently immensely flawed and should be changed, I just want minimal deaths on the way. If we can save lives, we should! Some deaths are necessary for change though.

            • @[email protected]
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              524 days ago

              Good people are dying now though. When is the cost of drastic change worth the cost of the status quo?

      • @[email protected]
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        1024 days ago

        This isn’t happening

        Accelerationism is happening towards fascism. This would be a different story if socialism was on the rise with parallel structures in place to rescue us during the collapse

        Literally this is not happening nor will happen. Not even close, it blows my mind other leftists think fascism provides opportunity. “Things are going to be great after this is all said and done!” As we’re rounded up and deported to El Salvador

        • ceoofanarchism
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          124 days ago

          The way to fight fascism is by attacking the system that holds it up not recreating its parent.

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      2724 days ago

      To be fair, the only reason I sound like an accelerationist, is because the building is clearly on fire right now and I’m presuming its structural at this point. So yeah, while I wish it didn’t get to this point, it feels likely that we will have to rebuild things from the ground up.

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        3924 days ago

        life hack: begin building new social structures before the current ones collapse

    • @[email protected]
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      223 days ago

      While I agree in theory, it assumes the existing system has rational or somewhat rational actors.

      If your system is full of counter productive individuals, it might be easier to start fresh.

      This works better with groups and companies, entire countries, not so much.