I am beginning to realize how inadequate the education people received in the US are.
Both the Legislator and Judicial have the authority to deputize to make arrests in determination of contempt.
The “sperate but equal” has meaning to it. The major difference is that over time the Republicans have allocated more and more funds to the Executive to enable them to build up a persistent “enforcement.”
I’m beginning to wonder if the education we received was entirely on purpose.
This link is AMAZING. I will share this far and wide.
I’ve wished for something like this each time I picked up the goddamn phone to call my goddamn representative and stumbled through my statement. I’ve called a few times, good on me, but it was awful. Inept phone-users unite! We too can call our reps!
I made three calls today to my representatives regarding Kilmar Abrego Garcia. Y’all, please do the same. I used the script from 5calls and it was empowering.
I have three reps I call on the regular (but I think I might start to include my governor’s office too). They (the interns) don’t always pick up. Depends on call volume, time of day, or whether they give a crap. But I highly recommend 5calls.org They do help get some thoughts together based on topic and give you a statement you can read if you need to and they supply the phone numbers for your reps. I go off script all the time and am passionate, but I try hard not to rant.
This would play right into the persecution narrative. It’s basically asking for a shooting war with both the secret service and the proud boys/oath keepers/etc types, at the very least. And I suspect it would be where we see if the military is going to follow illegal orders or not.
Can it work? That’s a long shot at best. But the list of viable options is short and getting shorter.
They aren’t going to. Talk it to death nothing will change. No court or Marshall can help anymore. They have instilled a fascist dictator who will not be removed without force.
Trump can issue an excecutive order and have them executed.
An “insane” ex-employee of a three letter agency can fire a wire-guided missile at his helicopter too, or someone may leave a drop of nerve agent on his door knob. I mean to say: possibilities for violence are endless. They’re an entirely different dish than legal possibilities, which are limited. With violence, imagination is the limit.
The supreme court however - I think they’re not bound by their previous rulings. If the court sees a justification, they can rule differently next time.
…and was ruled by SCOTUS to be immune to prosecution for some undetermined “official acts”.
And when he was convicted the judge ruled no penalty should be applied because SCOTUS had ruled he was immune to prosecution.
The major difference is that over time the Republicans have allocated more and more funds to the Executive to enable them to build up a persistent “enforcement.”
In no way shape or form is that a “Republican” problem. Democrats have been happily handing ever more power to the Executive for decades. As I’ve said in other places this is a symptom of Congress members being more worried about re-election and campaign donations than handling the business of the nation.
I’m beginning to wonder if the education we received was entirely on purpose.
I graduated in '91 from a town in the MidWest with about 30,000 people. We covered “separate but equal”. I tire of people blaming the education system when in reality most people are ignorant by choice.
If the Marshall Service does not enforce contempt, it is possible for the courts to appoint others to enforce for them if they are willing to do so. It would be unprecedented, but well within the bounds of what the law states
The rule begins in section (a) by instructing that, as a general matter, process “must be served by a United States marshal or deputy marshal or by a person specially appointed for that purpose.”
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Thus, by its plain terms, Rule 4.1 contemplates that the court may appoint individuals other than the marshals to enforce civil contempt orders.
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Even a rogue marshal’s service, in other words, is not an insurmountable obstacle to courts enforcing the rule of law. If courts have the courage, the legal tools are there.
No - bounty hunters are specifically for people who skip on their bail, and are hired by private companies. They do not have the judicial authorization to use force. There is no “dead or alive” because of a bounty can’t be brought in, the bail bondsman loses money.
A deputized marshall has the legal protection of the state to use force to apprehend the warranted. Its rarely used because it’s a powerful tool.
Who is going to hold the executive branch accountable? If they ignore the courts there is no one to hold them accountable.
I am beginning to realize how inadequate the education people received in the US are.
Both the Legislator and Judicial have the authority to deputize to make arrests in determination of contempt.
The “sperate but equal” has meaning to it. The major difference is that over time the Republicans have allocated more and more funds to the Executive to enable them to build up a persistent “enforcement.”
I’m beginning to wonder if the education we received was entirely on purpose.
In my call yesterday to my reps I asked them to help the judicial in enlisting marshals to go arrest trump.
Edit: Adding https://5calls.org/ for visibility.
This link is AMAZING. I will share this far and wide.
I’ve wished for something like this each time I picked up the goddamn phone to call my goddamn representative and stumbled through my statement. I’ve called a few times, good on me, but it was awful. Inept phone-users unite! We too can call our reps!
I made three calls today to my representatives regarding Kilmar Abrego Garcia. Y’all, please do the same. I used the script from 5calls and it was empowering.
You made a call and were actually able to speak with someone? How does one do this exactly?
Calling during “working” hours has worked for me.
I have three reps I call on the regular (but I think I might start to include my governor’s office too). They (the interns) don’t always pick up. Depends on call volume, time of day, or whether they give a crap. But I highly recommend 5calls.org They do help get some thoughts together based on topic and give you a statement you can read if you need to and they supply the phone numbers for your reps. I go off script all the time and am passionate, but I try hard not to rant.
https://5calls.org/
This is a great resource! Thank you.
Please explain to me how they are going to arrest someone that can pardon himself and use the national guard or Army to protect himself?
Well, there were 5.2m people protesting in one day.
The judges have the authority to deputize number of people required to carry out an arrest warrant in the case of contempt.
I am willing to bet that out of 5.2m there are at least several hundred thousand willing to assist with that.
This would play right into the persecution narrative. It’s basically asking for a shooting war with both the secret service and the proud boys/oath keepers/etc types, at the very least. And I suspect it would be where we see if the military is going to follow illegal orders or not.
Can it work? That’s a long shot at best. But the list of viable options is short and getting shorter.
They aren’t going to. Talk it to death nothing will change. No court or Marshall can help anymore. They have instilled a fascist dictator who will not be removed without force.
The deputized Marshalls are authorized to use force if necessary to apprehend the criminal.
Trump can issue an excecutive order and have them executed.
remember - SCOTUS has ruled he is immune from prosecution.
An “insane” ex-employee of a three letter agency can fire a wire-guided missile at his helicopter too, or someone may leave a drop of nerve agent on his door knob. I mean to say: possibilities for violence are endless. They’re an entirely different dish than legal possibilities, which are limited. With violence, imagination is the limit.
The supreme court however - I think they’re not bound by their previous rulings. If the court sees a justification, they can rule differently next time.
They even decided it before they elected the dictator so folks could vote accordingly and they still ticked Heir Drumpf on vote day or didn’t bother.
I’ll be shocked to hell and back if they would actually use force, even if they’re authorized to do so.
Hahaha that’s funny as shit. What criminal? The one that runs America with dozens of felony convictions and has never stepped foot inside a prison?
…and was ruled by SCOTUS to be immune to prosecution for some undetermined “official acts”. And when he was convicted the judge ruled no penalty should be applied because SCOTUS had ruled he was immune to prosecution.
In no way shape or form is that a “Republican” problem. Democrats have been happily handing ever more power to the Executive for decades. As I’ve said in other places this is a symptom of Congress members being more worried about re-election and campaign donations than handling the business of the nation.
I graduated in '91 from a town in the MidWest with about 30,000 people. We covered “separate but equal”. I tire of people blaming the education system when in reality most people are ignorant by choice.
If the Marshall Service does not enforce contempt, it is possible for the courts to appoint others to enforce for them if they are willing to do so. It would be unprecedented, but well within the bounds of what the law states
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https://www.democracydocket.com/opinion/if-the-marshals-go-rogue-courts-have-other-ways-to-enforce-their-orders/
So…DOG, the bounty hunter? That would actually be kinda cool.
No - bounty hunters are specifically for people who skip on their bail, and are hired by private companies. They do not have the judicial authorization to use force. There is no “dead or alive” because of a bounty can’t be brought in, the bail bondsman loses money.
A deputized marshall has the legal protection of the state to use force to apprehend the warranted. Its rarely used because it’s a powerful tool.
It’s up to the man on the street.