Ex porn performers tend to report a lot of exploitation in their working lives. Since many of them are exposed to abuse on the job, and there’s a built in culture of addiction increasing activities, it amplifies abuse and exploitation.
That being said, professional porn is voluntary. So there’s an upper limit to how exploitative it can be. But that upper limit is very disturbing. Enough so that finding any professional porn that isn’t exploitative is difficult, and even the companies that do fairly ethical porn aren’t perfect.
But, any idiot can make porn, and very often that’s the easiest to find. With that kind of thing, there’s not even the usual word of mouth to avoid the bad makers because they’re looking for desperate performers they can use quick and make whatever small profit they can. I’m not talking about people filming their own sex, it’s an individual or small group recruiting local people for it, with false promises, and not even following up on those promises.
Like that one group that would recruit women, typically 21 and under, promising that the videos would only be distributed overseas, with their plan being to distribute everywhere. Outright lying. Can’t remember the name of their “company”, but it was in the news a few years ago.
It’s gotten to the point that if you worry about the porn being ethically made, you have to do research, and most people don’t do that, and won’t. They’ll either ignore the problems, or just stop using porn. The vast majority will just ignore the problems. Which is fine, it is legal and voluntary, so there’s no obligation to do anything other than avoiding CP and real rape stuff. Nobody has to care about anything beyond that, it’s a personal choice.
And that applies to the specific segments you asked about. Barely legal is still legal, and it an adult, no matter how short a time they’ve been one, wants to make porn, that’s their right. And it is a right as it falls under body autonomy. Other aspects of porn aren’t a right, but to make one, yeah, it is; it’s when you start distributing it or sharing it, or selling it that it crosses from right into something able to be regulated.
Which, by extension, it doesn’t matter who watches what.
For one thing, if we’re going to be aroused by other people having sex, it’s supposed to be other adults. There’s no functional difference when the performer is 23 or 18. They’re an adult, they get the choice to perform or not. And, it is directly normal to be aroused by the bodies of people that have achieved adult development. It may or may not be socially acceptable to do something about that arousal, but that’s a separate issue from our bodies and brains being “coded” to respond to sexually mature bodies.
There’s no magic aura around people that says what age they are, and if they’re not within a specific adult age range, our bodies and brains ignore them. The performers made a choice to make their bodies and performances available for the purposes of arousal, so there’s no dilemma based on the age of the audience or performers. That’s what it’s for. We’re all free to choose what kind of porn we consume, or to not consume.
Also, it isn’t just older men. Some of us old fucks don’t use porn, and plenty of women of all ages do enjoy porn with younger performers. Yeah, it’s a huge difference in numbers, but the gender of the viewer is irrelevant to the ethics of porn.
Seriously, the idea that age is supposed to be some kind of automatic barrier to what you’re aroused by is just dumb. We’re riding around these meat machines, and they’re built to respond to certain cues. Among those cues are the signs of probable fertility. This means that the majority of the human race is going to be aroused primarily to other humans from the late teens to the late thirties/early to mid forties This is separate from any social limits around what we can do about that arousal.
That, btw isn’t to say that anyone with gerontophilia is somehow bad. Ain’t nothing that says you have to limit yourself upwards in age.
So, I have zero issue with anyone enjoying any legal pornography. I don’t even object to other people not caring about the ethics of the porn they use, as long as it isn’t kids or an act of rape on film. And I mean a real rape, not a performance of rape with performers consenting to the act for the purposes of filming.
Shit, when it comes to porn, as long as the performers are of a reasonable legal age, idgaf if they look adult or not. Just because it’s a turn off for me doesn’t mean those performers that are visually underdeveloped for their age shouldn’t have the same freedoms as anyone else. I can’t lie and say I wouldn’t keep a damn close eye on someone that was specifically looking for only that branch of porn, but as long as the performers are at least 18, they can, and should be able to, choose their form of employment no matter what their body looks like.
But, being real, I have developed a bit of a personal block about porn. I just don’t like the ethics of the industry, even the good companies that go the extra mile to ensure performers are treated well. I had known about those ethical issues long before it started to bother me, but since they were all consenting adults, that was enough for me to make use of it on occasion. But somewhere in my late thirties, it started being something I had trouble ignoring.
Then, the “fappening” happened and it really pissed me off. It made all the problems I have with porn impossible to ignore, to the point that even if I know the people on screen were in total control of everything, there’s that nagging voice I’m my head saying “yeah, but”. And that “but” is that the industry as whole is broken ethically. That voice is loud enough that porn stopped being arousing to me, damn near entirely, with the exception being when it’s people I know that are sharing it with me directly (or did so) because they enjoy doing so as a source of fun for themselves. Which is more common than you’d think.
But, again, that’s me. What other people do and enjoy is none of my damn business, so long as the basic criteria of a reasonable age of consent is present, and the acts on screen are consented to.
I mean, doing stuff for people on here is a nightmare all of it’s own. First erp I ever did, I was extremely paranoid, and that didn’t change much.
It’s a lot easier to break ethics screwing around with people, than it is watching porn. So you always need at least some prep, and a quiet environment.
I will add to my comment though, in that many women are promised the “professional” dream, but are used, abused and tossed aside. This happens to guys too, but the numbers are overwhelming when it comes to the abuse of women
It can be, yeah.
Ex porn performers tend to report a lot of exploitation in their working lives. Since many of them are exposed to abuse on the job, and there’s a built in culture of addiction increasing activities, it amplifies abuse and exploitation.
That being said, professional porn is voluntary. So there’s an upper limit to how exploitative it can be. But that upper limit is very disturbing. Enough so that finding any professional porn that isn’t exploitative is difficult, and even the companies that do fairly ethical porn aren’t perfect.
But, any idiot can make porn, and very often that’s the easiest to find. With that kind of thing, there’s not even the usual word of mouth to avoid the bad makers because they’re looking for desperate performers they can use quick and make whatever small profit they can. I’m not talking about people filming their own sex, it’s an individual or small group recruiting local people for it, with false promises, and not even following up on those promises.
Like that one group that would recruit women, typically 21 and under, promising that the videos would only be distributed overseas, with their plan being to distribute everywhere. Outright lying. Can’t remember the name of their “company”, but it was in the news a few years ago.
It’s gotten to the point that if you worry about the porn being ethically made, you have to do research, and most people don’t do that, and won’t. They’ll either ignore the problems, or just stop using porn. The vast majority will just ignore the problems. Which is fine, it is legal and voluntary, so there’s no obligation to do anything other than avoiding CP and real rape stuff. Nobody has to care about anything beyond that, it’s a personal choice.
And that applies to the specific segments you asked about. Barely legal is still legal, and it an adult, no matter how short a time they’ve been one, wants to make porn, that’s their right. And it is a right as it falls under body autonomy. Other aspects of porn aren’t a right, but to make one, yeah, it is; it’s when you start distributing it or sharing it, or selling it that it crosses from right into something able to be regulated.
Which, by extension, it doesn’t matter who watches what.
For one thing, if we’re going to be aroused by other people having sex, it’s supposed to be other adults. There’s no functional difference when the performer is 23 or 18. They’re an adult, they get the choice to perform or not. And, it is directly normal to be aroused by the bodies of people that have achieved adult development. It may or may not be socially acceptable to do something about that arousal, but that’s a separate issue from our bodies and brains being “coded” to respond to sexually mature bodies.
There’s no magic aura around people that says what age they are, and if they’re not within a specific adult age range, our bodies and brains ignore them. The performers made a choice to make their bodies and performances available for the purposes of arousal, so there’s no dilemma based on the age of the audience or performers. That’s what it’s for. We’re all free to choose what kind of porn we consume, or to not consume.
Also, it isn’t just older men. Some of us old fucks don’t use porn, and plenty of women of all ages do enjoy porn with younger performers. Yeah, it’s a huge difference in numbers, but the gender of the viewer is irrelevant to the ethics of porn.
Seriously, the idea that age is supposed to be some kind of automatic barrier to what you’re aroused by is just dumb. We’re riding around these meat machines, and they’re built to respond to certain cues. Among those cues are the signs of probable fertility. This means that the majority of the human race is going to be aroused primarily to other humans from the late teens to the late thirties/early to mid forties This is separate from any social limits around what we can do about that arousal.
That, btw isn’t to say that anyone with gerontophilia is somehow bad. Ain’t nothing that says you have to limit yourself upwards in age.
So, I have zero issue with anyone enjoying any legal pornography. I don’t even object to other people not caring about the ethics of the porn they use, as long as it isn’t kids or an act of rape on film. And I mean a real rape, not a performance of rape with performers consenting to the act for the purposes of filming.
Shit, when it comes to porn, as long as the performers are of a reasonable legal age, idgaf if they look adult or not. Just because it’s a turn off for me doesn’t mean those performers that are visually underdeveloped for their age shouldn’t have the same freedoms as anyone else. I can’t lie and say I wouldn’t keep a damn close eye on someone that was specifically looking for only that branch of porn, but as long as the performers are at least 18, they can, and should be able to, choose their form of employment no matter what their body looks like.
But, being real, I have developed a bit of a personal block about porn. I just don’t like the ethics of the industry, even the good companies that go the extra mile to ensure performers are treated well. I had known about those ethical issues long before it started to bother me, but since they were all consenting adults, that was enough for me to make use of it on occasion. But somewhere in my late thirties, it started being something I had trouble ignoring.
Then, the “fappening” happened and it really pissed me off. It made all the problems I have with porn impossible to ignore, to the point that even if I know the people on screen were in total control of everything, there’s that nagging voice I’m my head saying “yeah, but”. And that “but” is that the industry as whole is broken ethically. That voice is loud enough that porn stopped being arousing to me, damn near entirely, with the exception being when it’s people I know that are sharing it with me directly (or did so) because they enjoy doing so as a source of fun for themselves. Which is more common than you’d think.
But, again, that’s me. What other people do and enjoy is none of my damn business, so long as the basic criteria of a reasonable age of consent is present, and the acts on screen are consented to.
I mean, doing stuff for people on here is a nightmare all of it’s own. First erp I ever did, I was extremely paranoid, and that didn’t change much.
It’s a lot easier to break ethics screwing around with people, than it is watching porn. So you always need at least some prep, and a quiet environment.
Very well said
I will add to my comment though, in that many women are promised the “professional” dream, but are used, abused and tossed aside. This happens to guys too, but the numbers are overwhelming when it comes to the abuse of women
Shit’s fucked