The separation of church and state protects the church from the state at least as much as the state from the church. Christians should fear a “Christian” state.
This. All the Christians that support a theocracy need to stop and realise that there’s no guarantee that their particular denomination is going to be the one running said theocracy. The whole concept of freedom of religion depends on the separation of church and state.
Yeah, that’s why I said the religion is rotten. If I say an apple is rotten, people don’t usually respond by saying “Yeah but it came from a cool tree”.
No, we’re describing a religion and what its followers behave like. Atheism isn’t a religion or a group. It’s a choice to refrain from belief in a god. Christianity has churches, pastors, and now presidents who lead their followers into morally reprehensible behavior. One is rotten fruit, the other is rejecting rotten fruit. It’s not the same.
A good person doesn’t support their religion when their religion is creating fascism in their country.
A good person stands up and says to trump: Despite my beliefs, I denounce what you are saying and cast you out of my religion you heathen.
But this is not what we are seeing, is it? You are against trump, I assume, yet you still defend religion before you fight fascism. Maybe ask yourself why that is.
Good luck defending what trump does in the name of religion.
I said nothing about you as a person. My criticism is of your religion. If you’re taking it personally, that’s on your own conscience, and perhaps something you should reflect on.
The main difference between Christianity and atheism is that atheism is no organised movement. We don’t have a pope (no matter what Christians say about us, I don’t follow any of the so called “leaders” of the atheist movement like richard dawkins and his positions on the trans right movement for instance) and we don’t have a centralised structure, we simply don’t believe in ANY god.
On the other hand there is Christianity and all organised religions which, as the name suggests, are ORGANISED around a central set of dogmas which are intended to be accepted as gospel by all their members. If you’re part of one of such religions you implicitly accept all their teachings as true and you support their message and actions. If you don’t want to be lump in with all other cultists following these directions please remove yourself from this specific group or shut the hell up.
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That’s whats great about spirituality, no one person can say what you believe other than you. Similarly, Christianity doesn’t have a single voice of authority.
We’re not talking about spirituality. I’m spiritual. We’re talking about organized religion, that has an awfully genocidal and hateful track record, with one halfway decent prophet who said some nice things, and also some completely incoherent things about being one with the hateful God of this religion.
Christian here.
Trump can fuck all the way off with that bullshit.
The separation of church and state protects the church from the state at least as much as the state from the church. Christians should fear a “Christian” state.
This. All the Christians that support a theocracy need to stop and realise that there’s no guarantee that their particular denomination is going to be the one running said theocracy. The whole concept of freedom of religion depends on the separation of church and state.
Your religion is rotten. I judge it by its fruit.
Christ, if he was at all like his stories, was a pretty cool guy.
Shame Christianity co-opted his name.
Yeah, that’s why I said the religion is rotten. If I say an apple is rotten, people don’t usually respond by saying “Yeah but it came from a cool tree”.
I know quite a few atheist pieces of shit.
Good for you. What does that have to do with Christianity being rotten?
Well we are just lumping groups together by their “rotten fruit” aren’t we?
No, we’re describing a religion and what its followers behave like. Atheism isn’t a religion or a group. It’s a choice to refrain from belief in a god. Christianity has churches, pastors, and now presidents who lead their followers into morally reprehensible behavior. One is rotten fruit, the other is rejecting rotten fruit. It’s not the same.
Ok, so no room for me to prove I’m a good person?
None whatsoever?
I’m judged because of my beliefs, not my behaviour?
A good person doesn’t support their religion when their religion is creating fascism in their country.
A good person stands up and says to trump: Despite my beliefs, I denounce what you are saying and cast you out of my religion you heathen.
But this is not what we are seeing, is it? You are against trump, I assume, yet you still defend religion before you fight fascism. Maybe ask yourself why that is.
Good luck defending what trump does in the name of religion.
Well I guess it’s different for Australian Christians.
We just hardcore rejected our version of Trump in an absolute landslide.
It seems like America at large has found a way to bastardise and twist the message of Jesus.
I understand your hatred since you likely live there but it saddens me to see Christians worldwide painted with the same brush because of it.
I think it’s unfair.
I said nothing about you as a person. My criticism is of your religion. If you’re taking it personally, that’s on your own conscience, and perhaps something you should reflect on.
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The main difference between Christianity and atheism is that atheism is no organised movement. We don’t have a pope (no matter what Christians say about us, I don’t follow any of the so called “leaders” of the atheist movement like richard dawkins and his positions on the trans right movement for instance) and we don’t have a centralised structure, we simply don’t believe in ANY god.
On the other hand there is Christianity and all organised religions which, as the name suggests, are ORGANISED around a central set of dogmas which are intended to be accepted as gospel by all their members. If you’re part of one of such religions you implicitly accept all their teachings as true and you support their message and actions. If you don’t want to be lump in with all other cultists following these directions please remove yourself from this specific group or shut the hell up.
Thank you for coming to my ted talk, I’ll be here as long as needed
I know quite a few human pieces of shit.
That’s not helpful right now.
Calling out Christians on their bullshit support of a fascist criminal that completely disrespects all of the values of their religion isn’t helpful?
@Inanimate_Carbon_Rod obviously doesn’t support that fascist. We need all the allies we can get, and you’re pushing them away.
He supports a religion that supports that fascist.
That’s whats great about spirituality, no one person can say what you believe other than you. Similarly, Christianity doesn’t have a single voice of authority.
We’re not talking about spirituality. I’m spiritual. We’re talking about organized religion, that has an awfully genocidal and hateful track record, with one halfway decent prophet who said some nice things, and also some completely incoherent things about being one with the hateful God of this religion.
Sure, but we both know that Christianity isn’t a monolith.