Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich says victory in Gaza will mean the enclave being "entirely destroyed," Palestinians leaving for other countries.
Or here’s a novel thought: how about we start hoping for bad shit to not happen? The cycle of revenge and “I deserve this land because X” is how we ended up in this situation in the first place.
Settler colonialism is how we ended up in this situation. There is no ‘both sides’ when one is engaging in supremacy and genocide while the other is resisting eradication and fighting for their human rights
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For the people who are downvoting. Equating the violence here is the same as equating the violence in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. It’s been over 76 years of violent apartheid, supremacy, and ethnic cleansing.
You’re getting down voted because you’ve missed the point. It doesn’t matter why the current situation is happening, calling for genocide as a response to genocide makes you just as guilty as the people you hate.
You blamed the current situation on the ‘cycle of revenge,’ which grossly misrepresents the reality of Zionism and the reaction of Palestinian resistance.
No, we ended up in this situation because colonizers came and stole Palestinian land. It’s an Israeli myth that Palestinians first stole the land from the Jews and expelled them.
The truth is, Palestinians are just descendents of ancient Israelis. They’re not invaders. They’re indigenous to the land.
I also support Palestinian resistance, and that’s very different from Israeli violence inflicted onto Palestinians. Indigenous resistance to colonization is always justified.
50 years ago you might have had a chance to make it happen, since most Israeli people would have been born elsewhere. Now you have multiple generations of people born and raised in Israel. They have nowhere else to go.
And you’ll have to forgive me for being skeptical about a Muslim majority Palestine being tolerant of religious differences if they regained control of the whole area.
That’s what I keep saying about adopting healing language/actions because it’s not different when we do it, for “reasons.” The Lemmy masses are almost entirely against it.
Zionism is the problem. While a small Minority in Israel, there are many anti-zionist Israelis who are playing a critical role in dismantling Zionism.
It’s a one-state reality of supremacy and apartheid. The only way out is with ending Zionism and implementing right of return, equal rights, and massive reparations to all Palestinians
Unfortunately, from the outside it looks very much like the anti-Zionists are taking the position of “once the Zionists have done all the Zionism, we’ll give them a very stern telling off.”
This may not be how it actually is, but as long as Yahoo and people of his mindset are in charge, it won’t look any better than that.
That’s certainly not what they are saying. Ilan Pappe and Avi Schlaim are great counter examples. I think what you’re talking about fits post-zionists much more accurately. And in terms of post-zionism I agree.
Adi Callai has also done phenomenal work about bringing an end to Zionism, he has a great analysis of Franz Fanon as well.
I hope one day the same will happen to Israel and Israelians and I hope no one will care anymore.
Or here’s a novel thought: how about we start hoping for bad shit to not happen? The cycle of revenge and “I deserve this land because X” is how we ended up in this situation in the first place.
Settler colonialism is how we ended up in this situation. There is no ‘both sides’ when one is engaging in supremacy and genocide while the other is resisting eradication and fighting for their human rights
Edit:
For the people who are downvoting. Equating the violence here is the same as equating the violence in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. It’s been over 76 years of violent apartheid, supremacy, and ethnic cleansing.
In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
You’re getting down voted because you’ve missed the point. It doesn’t matter why the current situation is happening, calling for genocide as a response to genocide makes you just as guilty as the people you hate.
Kami is, which is why I downvoted them.
Palestinian resistance is not calling for genocide.
I’m not calling for anything, I’m just hoping they’ll get what they are giving. If you think it is genocide, then so be it.
I feel like I’m talking to a bot. All of your responses are at best tangentially related to what I say.
You blamed the current situation on the ‘cycle of revenge,’ which grossly misrepresents the reality of Zionism and the reaction of Palestinian resistance.
And you keep ignoring the point that it doesn’t fucking matter. You can’t solve genocide with more genocide.
Where are you getting that I’m calling for genocide?
Palestinian resistance is fighting for ending the apartheid, for equal rights, and for right of return. Not genocide.
I mean you can… you can’t commit genocide if all your people are dead.
But that still involves genocide, and maybe this is a hot take, genocide is bad. So we shouldn’t take that option.
No, we ended up in this situation because colonizers came and stole Palestinian land. It’s an Israeli myth that Palestinians first stole the land from the Jews and expelled them.
The truth is, Palestinians are just descendents of ancient Israelis. They’re not invaders. They’re indigenous to the land.
The truth is, you’ve completely ignored my point. Genocide as a response to genocide solves nothing.
Sure, Israel should be abolished peacefully.
I’m just saying, this isn’t how we got here.
What fantasy land do you live in where the involuntary dismantling of a country is ever a peaceful process?
Decolonization can be done peacefully.
I don’t think that will happen, but it could!
I also support Palestinian resistance, and that’s very different from Israeli violence inflicted onto Palestinians. Indigenous resistance to colonization is always justified.
50 years ago you might have had a chance to make it happen, since most Israeli people would have been born elsewhere. Now you have multiple generations of people born and raised in Israel. They have nowhere else to go.
And you’ll have to forgive me for being skeptical about a Muslim majority Palestine being tolerant of religious differences if they regained control of the whole area.
I’m not going to forgive your racism, actually.
That’s what I keep saying about adopting healing language/actions because it’s not different when we do it, for “reasons.” The Lemmy masses are almost entirely against it.
Zionism is the problem. While a small Minority in Israel, there are many anti-zionist Israelis who are playing a critical role in dismantling Zionism.
It’s a one-state reality of supremacy and apartheid. The only way out is with ending Zionism and implementing right of return, equal rights, and massive reparations to all Palestinians
Unfortunately, from the outside it looks very much like the anti-Zionists are taking the position of “once the Zionists have done all the Zionism, we’ll give them a very stern telling off.”
This may not be how it actually is, but as long as Yahoo and people of his mindset are in charge, it won’t look any better than that.
That’s certainly not what they are saying. Ilan Pappe and Avi Schlaim are great counter examples. I think what you’re talking about fits post-zionists much more accurately. And in terms of post-zionism I agree.
Adi Callai has also done phenomenal work about bringing an end to Zionism, he has a great analysis of Franz Fanon as well.