In the two days since the new German government under Chancellor Friedrich Merz tightened border controls, 19 people who had applied for asylum have reportedly been turned away.
When the law is immoral, ignoring the law is the right thing to do. Turning away asylum seekers at the border is immoral and probably also violates EU law. Which the fucktard Dobrint already knew. Because he is a fucktard and also fucked up the Autobahn Maut back then and he also knew that it was probably not legal back then, too.
It’s also immoral to perceive these people as a burden in the first place.
No, its not.
It absolutely is immoral and incredibly misinformed.
We - and the world - live from learning from and living with foreigners.
To think of foreigners as a burden is outright stupid. Whoever you are, without migration and foreigners living together you wouldn’t even have an identity.
IMMIGRATION is great. Germany wouldn’t had its “Wirtschaftswunder” without all the foreign workers and would not have this rich cultural landscape you can find in nearly all cities.
The difference with asylum is that this is a temporary measure out of humanitarian needs, which MAY lead to immigration, but it is not the norm.
Well, the point is that due to the Dublin III regulation the state in which the refuge seeking person first enters the EU is primarily responsible for the asylum procedure. So, there IS a proper asylum procedure the refuge seeking persons can apply to.
The point is, this fetish for "migrants“ is first of all inhumane, and besides that also expensive and inefficient. It’s absolute brainrot no matter the amount of mental gymnastics politicians, media, and people like you are doing to justify it.
Not sure if you’re serious… If you’re seeking refuge, many of the countries bordering Germany are terrible places, Poland and Czechia especially.
Edit: Someone reported this comment for being “straight out of NS propaganda”…? Meanwhile Visegrad has long-standing efforts to end relocation and Poland blocks all asylum-seekers.
How are Poland and Czechia terrible? I get why they might not be the first choice for everyone, but “terrible” is REALLY stretching it. And I say this as a citizen of country where lots of people emmigrate from into Czechia, because they consider it a better place.
Try being an Arabic immigrant in either Poland or Czechia.
Even for people who successfully made it into society, I don’t think it’s easy. The tone that my former Czech co-workers (who are not radicals) used when they spoke of long-settled Vietnamese immigrants was rather telling.
Well yeah, those places may be not that nice, but they are a far cry from an actual ongoing conflict zone or something like that. At this place you can apply for asylum and if it is granted you can look for further options…
If someone wants to chose a nice place to live and work at… well, there is the normal immigration procedure for that.
Then at least they should start saying “people who illegally immigrate” or something like that, because “illegal immigrants” does make it sound like its the people themselves who are illegal and that rhetoric only serves the far right
The right to asylum was put into the constitution because many victims of the holocaust where denied entry to other counties before getting rounded up and killed.
If a stranger is running down the street, chased by a guy with a blood soaked knife, would you let them in?
I hate this so much…
The thing is: YOU might not be “illegal”, but entering your neighbors house without his consent indeed is illegal.
What would you do if a random number of strangers would tomorrow at noon decide that it would be a great idea to just enter your house?
There is a huge difference between your house and a country.
And also between the thing you are doing being illegal and you being illegal
When the law is immoral, ignoring the law is the right thing to do. Turning away asylum seekers at the border is immoral and probably also violates EU law. Which the fucktard Dobrint already knew. Because he is a fucktard and also fucked up the Autobahn Maut back then and he also knew that it was probably not legal back then, too.
Where is this immoral? Are the EU countries bordering Germany that bad of a place? I don’t think so…
I take it you are taking the antisocial-arsehole-stance on purpose?
Nah, this is baked into my DNA.
How is it morally right to put the perceived (by people like you I assume) burden of immigration only on the countries with EU outer borders?
It’s also immoral to perceive these people as a burden in the first place.
This has to be addressed, with funding, staffing and other forms of aid.
No, its not.
It absolutely is immoral and incredibly misinformed.
We - and the world - live from learning from and living with foreigners.
To think of foreigners as a burden is outright stupid. Whoever you are, without migration and foreigners living together you wouldn’t even have an identity.
You are still mixing up immigration and asylum.
IMMIGRATION is great. Germany wouldn’t had its “Wirtschaftswunder” without all the foreign workers and would not have this rich cultural landscape you can find in nearly all cities.
The difference with asylum is that this is a temporary measure out of humanitarian needs, which MAY lead to immigration, but it is not the norm.
It’s not about “but there are other EU states around Germany where they can apply”. The immoral thing is to turn them away without a proper asylum procedure. And if you look at the numbers, there isn’t really any sort of crisis that would warrant such an extreme resolution. https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/76095/umfrage/asylantraege-insgesamt-in-deutschland-seit-1995/
Well, the point is that due to the Dublin III regulation the state in which the refuge seeking person first enters the EU is primarily responsible for the asylum procedure. So, there IS a proper asylum procedure the refuge seeking persons can apply to.
The point is, this fetish for "migrants“ is first of all inhumane, and besides that also expensive and inefficient. It’s absolute brainrot no matter the amount of mental gymnastics politicians, media, and people like you are doing to justify it.
It’s not a fetish, its just the point that there is more grey to this than either “CLOSE THE BORDERS!1!” or “NOBODY IS ILLEGAL!1!”…
And regarding this “people like you” thing: What people do you mean? What category of people do you think i fit in?
Not sure if you’re serious… If you’re seeking refuge, many of the countries bordering Germany are terrible places, Poland and Czechia especially.
Edit: Someone reported this comment for being “straight out of NS propaganda”…? Meanwhile Visegrad has long-standing efforts to end relocation and Poland blocks all asylum-seekers.
How are Poland and Czechia terrible? I get why they might not be the first choice for everyone, but “terrible” is REALLY stretching it. And I say this as a citizen of country where lots of people emmigrate from into Czechia, because they consider it a better place.
Try being an Arabic immigrant in either Poland or Czechia.
Even for people who successfully made it into society, I don’t think it’s easy. The tone that my former Czech co-workers (who are not radicals) used when they spoke of long-settled Vietnamese immigrants was rather telling.
Well yeah, those places may be not that nice, but they are a far cry from an actual ongoing conflict zone or something like that. At this place you can apply for asylum and if it is granted you can look for further options…
If someone wants to chose a nice place to live and work at… well, there is the normal immigration procedure for that.
Then at least they should start saying “people who illegally immigrate” or something like that, because “illegal immigrants” does make it sound like its the people themselves who are illegal and that rhetoric only serves the far right
This is what the slogan is and always was trying to convey.
Exactly, see my first comment above
Is it really?
Do you honestly think this is a “gotcha”?
Yes.
The right to asylum was put into the constitution because many victims of the holocaust where denied entry to other counties before getting rounded up and killed.
If a stranger is running down the street, chased by a guy with a blood soaked knife, would you let them in?
Edit: spelling
Many of the people coming to germany are not in danger tho. Which is a requirement for asylum.
…which is why there is a due process that applies to all asylum seekers.
Duh.
ITT: someone who understands fuck all of what makes the world run.