Sorry for trying to find some purpose in this crappy life in the form of nurturing and caring for another person.
I think my kids will still be able to acknowledge that being born today is still far better than being born in basically any other time during the vast majority of human existence though.
Edit: Showed your comment to my daughter and she said “I’m happy to be alive, thanks very much”
You aren’t selfish for having kids and doing your best to nurture them. We all share collective responsibility to take action for the issues our species face.
Some people think they can absolve themselves of responsibility and simply vote all the problems away, but the people they are voting in barely have the energy to acknowledge or even address the issues, let alone work towards actual solutions.
I don’t think that people having kids are selfish either. It’s just one of those things you see so often regarding the issue of climate change. The people espousing that view are simply using it as an easy out to absolve themselves of any responsibility in my opinion.
Educating and preparing younger generations to address the issues they will face is unfortunately the most likely way to resolve such issues, and I’ve chosen to take that challenge upon myself despite how difficult and costly it is to raise children now compared to when my parents had me.
Well, you say that now but the water wars have already started, and your kids won’t qualify to emigrate. You should educate them of survival skills and firearms.
We can mitigate the looming water crisis by spreading awareness, not by encouraging people to choose or equip themselves for violence. Do your part.
Regulation of industrial/animal agriculture water usage, restoration of our environments so they are able to retain water, respecting aquifer replenishment rates, exploring water capture technologies, desalination, and water pipelines are all things that are in our power. We can also move some agriculture indoors into vertical farms and use wastewater recirculation.
If we are faced with people literally dying of thirst and not being able to grow food, or having to deal with the byproducts of desalination - the latter is always preferable.
If we utilized the products of desalination and put it towards energy storage, vertical farms could be scaled sustainably and powered solely by renewables/solar. Energy storage with non-rare earth materials is groundbreaking.
This gives us some breathing room to stop inputting wasteful amounts of water into agriculture and deal with our topsoil. Vertical farms don’t necessarily need water input like typical agriculture and solar panels are cheap to make. This also mitigates the climate’s effect on agriculture and yields.
If we pooled our resources into finishing that technology
If we could all just get together and do <whatever thing>, we’d be able to do it! I’ve found that relying on other people most often ends in disappointment. I know that’s cynical, but it’s also not inaccurate.
Well, as it stands the vast majority of the world is coerced or propagandized into consenting to governments and regulators for them to do nothing and let disaster manifest. They are mostly all blissfully unaware.
Give it a couple years of Trump’s reign to see how people react to somebody taking away their rights before you completely give into cynicism and close yourself to the possibility of garnering hope.
Doesn’t change the fact that we can scale those vertical farms tomorrow and power them however the fuck we’d like to (in the short-term) to mitigate disaster.
Existence is accompanied by suffering, yes. If you can’t accept that, that’s on you. If you wish for all life to cease because of your views, then you’re the selfish one here.
Lol I accept that. although you seem to ignore it for your selfish reasons. My will is not important. I’m merely pointing the fact that your actions increase suffering for your own personal gain. Do with it what you will.
Edit - I’d also add that for many many poor creatures including humans, existence is not accompanied by suffering, but it is only suffering. You are delusional if you think you have the power to save your poor child from it
The vast majority of people (including yourself) seem to think that the suffering is worth putting up with for some strange reason though…
If life was nothing more than suffering then I don’t think nearly as many people would have children. Fortunately many of us are able to get enough out of life to see it as being worthwhile. I’m sorry that’s not the case for you.
You contradict yourself and make incorrect assumptions. My entire argument is to make the point that the suffering does not justify it. The majority does not hold my opinion. But I do agree it is stange to think it is justified.
I never said life is only suffering for everyone. Read my comments again. Also, my life is pretty good, I’m not complaining for myself, but for other voiceless souls. Are you able to see the world from a different point of view than your own? How the experience is like for others? From what you wrote I sincerely doubt that.
It is worthwhile for who? And who gets to decide? And can you guarantee your children it will be worth while? Can you guarantee it for all living creatures?
It easy to talk when your life is full of privilege
Reproducing without control just cause you need purpose is morally wrong. Same as murdering someone for pleasure.
Enjoy you existence, hope you can live with the suffering you are causing and apathetic to. 🩷
Sorry for trying to find some purpose in this crappy life in the form of nurturing and caring for another person.
I think my kids will still be able to acknowledge that being born today is still far better than being born in basically any other time during the vast majority of human existence though.
Edit: Showed your comment to my daughter and she said “I’m happy to be alive, thanks very much”
I find purpose in helping those who already exist, in the service of preventing suffering.
That’s great, I do that too
You aren’t selfish for having kids and doing your best to nurture them. We all share collective responsibility to take action for the issues our species face.
Some people think they can absolve themselves of responsibility and simply vote all the problems away, but the people they are voting in barely have the energy to acknowledge or even address the issues, let alone work towards actual solutions.
I don’t think that people having kids are selfish either. It’s just one of those things you see so often regarding the issue of climate change. The people espousing that view are simply using it as an easy out to absolve themselves of any responsibility in my opinion.
Educating and preparing younger generations to address the issues they will face is unfortunately the most likely way to resolve such issues, and I’ve chosen to take that challenge upon myself despite how difficult and costly it is to raise children now compared to when my parents had me.
These people just have no hope. They have given up on humanity. They are preparing themselves for the worst.
We can choose differently. We can look to what is in our power to mitigate suffering. We can raise awareness and take direct action.
Well, you say that now but the water wars have already started, and your kids won’t qualify to emigrate. You should educate them of survival skills and firearms.
The US is not the entire world thankfully.
The water wars aren’t in the US.
Never heard of the Colorado River, huh?
There is no war… yet.
We can mitigate the looming water crisis by spreading awareness, not by encouraging people to choose or equip themselves for violence. Do your part.
Regulation of industrial/animal agriculture water usage, restoration of our environments so they are able to retain water, respecting aquifer replenishment rates, exploring water capture technologies, desalination, and water pipelines are all things that are in our power. We can also move some agriculture indoors into vertical farms and use wastewater recirculation.
If we are faced with people literally dying of thirst and not being able to grow food, or having to deal with the byproducts of desalination - the latter is always preferable.
I’m cracking up. More awareness. Fuck off with your thoughts and prayers, darling, the time for awareness was in the mid ‘90s.
You’re very late to the party.
Well, as it stands, we have more solutions and technology on the table than ever before.
Like the recent breakthrough: sodium-ion batteries. Or proton batteries.
If we utilized the products of desalination and put it towards energy storage, vertical farms could be scaled sustainably and powered solely by renewables/solar. Energy storage with non-rare earth materials is groundbreaking.
This gives us some breathing room to stop inputting wasteful amounts of water into agriculture and deal with our topsoil. Vertical farms don’t necessarily need water input like typical agriculture and solar panels are cheap to make. This also mitigates the climate’s effect on agriculture and yields.
If we could all just get together and do <whatever thing>, we’d be able to do it! I’ve found that relying on other people most often ends in disappointment. I know that’s cynical, but it’s also not inaccurate.
Yeah, don’t be so cynical, endlessnightmare.
Well, as it stands the vast majority of the world is coerced or propagandized into consenting to governments and regulators for them to do nothing and let disaster manifest. They are mostly all blissfully unaware.
Give it a couple years of Trump’s reign to see how people react to somebody taking away their rights before you completely give into cynicism and close yourself to the possibility of garnering hope.
There’s a new battery article every month.
Doesn’t change the fact that we can scale those vertical farms tomorrow and power them however the fuck we’d like to (in the short-term) to mitigate disaster.
Too late kiddo. Go back to Reddit. Report some more comments because you feel offended I don’t agree with you.
Your kids needs to suffer for you idiotic so called purpose. Get a hobby next time, go volunteer instead of dragging other souls down with you
Point me to a time in the past when there was no suffering please.
Around 4.5 billion years ago, at least on earth. The existence of suffering and its universality are good reasons for you to perpetuate it?
Existence is accompanied by suffering, yes. If you can’t accept that, that’s on you. If you wish for all life to cease because of your views, then you’re the selfish one here.
Lol I accept that. although you seem to ignore it for your selfish reasons. My will is not important. I’m merely pointing the fact that your actions increase suffering for your own personal gain. Do with it what you will.
Edit - I’d also add that for many many poor creatures including humans, existence is not accompanied by suffering, but it is only suffering. You are delusional if you think you have the power to save your poor child from it
The vast majority of people (including yourself) seem to think that the suffering is worth putting up with for some strange reason though…
If life was nothing more than suffering then I don’t think nearly as many people would have children. Fortunately many of us are able to get enough out of life to see it as being worthwhile. I’m sorry that’s not the case for you.
You contradict yourself and make incorrect assumptions. My entire argument is to make the point that the suffering does not justify it. The majority does not hold my opinion. But I do agree it is stange to think it is justified.
I never said life is only suffering for everyone. Read my comments again. Also, my life is pretty good, I’m not complaining for myself, but for other voiceless souls. Are you able to see the world from a different point of view than your own? How the experience is like for others? From what you wrote I sincerely doubt that.
It is worthwhile for who? And who gets to decide? And can you guarantee your children it will be worth while? Can you guarantee it for all living creatures? It easy to talk when your life is full of privilege
Reproducing without control just cause you need purpose is morally wrong. Same as murdering someone for pleasure.
Enjoy you existence, hope you can live with the suffering you are causing and apathetic to. 🩷
Shame that your parents didn’t feel that way.
True. But I managed to have purpose without dragging other souls down with me. Thank you for your kind words 🩷