Even reading the summary - yes they had the Homestead Exemption to do exactlyy that. However they completely rebuilt their home to a much nicer one and thought they’d keep the Homestead Exemption. This worked correctly. In phase no sympathy for trying to cheat taxes
I agree, we should replace property taxes with very large income and wealth taxes. First we can end property taxes and then we can implement guaranteed income so people who become disabled can afford to maintain their homes.
The thing about yearly property taxes is they often go to the city/municipality and that’s how they pay for things.
The city doesn’t charge income tax, that’s a state/province/fed level type thing.
We’d need a new way for cities to collect taxes themselves, or a new system to properly and fairly distribute taxes from the incomes to the cities/municipalities where they live.
Definitely doable, but it’s a bit different than just raising income taxes.
Where I am we have fairly low property tax and a small municipal income tax. So it splits the burden equally. If you live outside of a municipality, there will be a small income tax to support your public school district. This is also on top of State taxes income taxes and Federal income taxes. Sales taxes are also a thing at the state and city level. Honestly, I don’t feel overly taxed with the total amount of money I pay in taxes. I receive the benefits of society. This is even for services I don’t consume, but I want the services available to my neighbors that may need them, such as housing assistance, elder care, supplemental nutrition, etc.
Ya, I’m not opposed to taxes, we gotta pay for the services somehow.
How do you actually do the income taxes though? Is it completely separate from your federal/state that get filed each year? Or is it somehow combined with those into 1 filing and the city gets paid yearly from that? It seems like it would be a huge burden to be a separate thing, and it would be easier if it was somehow incorporated into a federal/state tax system where if your municipality has taxes you fill out a few spots and the money gets sent to them?
E.g an added section on your state/federal to add the municipalities tax id and tax rate (as it’d be variable by area)
Edit: And like I get if you are getting payroll deductions its easy for the city to just withdraw off the top before you get it, but you still need the final tax filing to accommodate mistakes, or income not earned through a payroll system.
Many companies can do payroll withholding for local/school taxes just like they do with State or Federal. There are boxes on your W-2 you get when you file your taxes that show this:
Is it completely separate from your federal/state that get filed each year?
Yep, 3 forms to fill each year: Federal, State, Local/School
It seems like it would be a huge burden to be a separate thing, and it would be easier if it was somehow incorporated into a federal/state tax system where if your municipality has taxes you fill out a few spots and the money gets sent to them?
Its a pain, but so are Federal and State taxes. Municipal/school taxes can also get complicated if you work in one city with tax and live in another. Many will give you partial or full credit so you don’t end up paying full municipal income tax to two cities, but this isn’t always the case.
E.g an added section on your state/federal to add the municipalities tax id and tax rate (as it’d be variable by area)
Just like each State has their own rules, each city can have theirs so your suggestion can’t be just numbers to fill in because which numbers may change between cities. Dividend income is one example I know different cities treat/tax differently. Yes its a pain, but, its adulting.
This is incorrect. In China nobody owns a home. They get a lease on it from the government. For wealthy urban Chinese this has meant they get lifetime ownership so far, but this is not guaranteed.
Also if you are not born with the correct hukou then you are not allowed to purchase any valuable property at all.
If you’re old and no longer have much of an income, you still have your home. If you become disabled,
We already have this is many states in the USA. Its called the “Homestead Exemption”. Here’s an example from Ohio:
“This is a statewide program, administered by County Auditors under rules established by the Ohio Legislature and the Ohio Department of Taxation. This allows senior citizens (65 or older) as well as permanently and totally disabled homeowners to reduce their real estate taxes by the amount equal to the taxes that would otherwise be charged on $25,000 of the market value of an eligible taxpayer’s homestead or residence. The homestead may include up to one acre of land. Under the changes made by the Ohio Legislature and beginning with applications for tax year 2014, new participants in the program will be subject to an income test to be eligible.”
So matter how big your house is (as long as its on one acre of land or less and you have an income $$75k/year or below) you only get charged as though the house is worth $25k, which I think would obviously be a very low tax bill.
They qualify under the local homestead law.
But because that limits year over year increases (which I consider reasonable) and is reassessed after mayor upgrades (which they did) they now have a huge jump in taxes.
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Even reading the summary - yes they had the Homestead Exemption to do exactlyy that. However they completely rebuilt their home to a much nicer one and thought they’d keep the Homestead Exemption. This worked correctly. In phase no sympathy for trying to cheat taxes
It would help if I’d actually read the article.
A full night’s sleep, and I’m rethinking my comment. I was hasty.
I agree, we should replace property taxes with very large income and wealth taxes. First we can end property taxes and then we can implement guaranteed income so people who become disabled can afford to maintain their homes.
Property tax is a wealth tax
The thing about yearly property taxes is they often go to the city/municipality and that’s how they pay for things.
The city doesn’t charge income tax, that’s a state/province/fed level type thing.
We’d need a new way for cities to collect taxes themselves, or a new system to properly and fairly distribute taxes from the incomes to the cities/municipalities where they live.
Definitely doable, but it’s a bit different than just raising income taxes.
Some municipalities may also have an income tax (completely separate from state or federal income taxes). Other states have much larger sales taxes.
Interesting, I’ve never personally seen that.
Where I am we have fairly low property tax and a small municipal income tax. So it splits the burden equally. If you live outside of a municipality, there will be a small income tax to support your public school district. This is also on top of State taxes income taxes and Federal income taxes. Sales taxes are also a thing at the state and city level. Honestly, I don’t feel overly taxed with the total amount of money I pay in taxes. I receive the benefits of society. This is even for services I don’t consume, but I want the services available to my neighbors that may need them, such as housing assistance, elder care, supplemental nutrition, etc.
Ya, I’m not opposed to taxes, we gotta pay for the services somehow.
How do you actually do the income taxes though? Is it completely separate from your federal/state that get filed each year? Or is it somehow combined with those into 1 filing and the city gets paid yearly from that? It seems like it would be a huge burden to be a separate thing, and it would be easier if it was somehow incorporated into a federal/state tax system where if your municipality has taxes you fill out a few spots and the money gets sent to them?
E.g an added section on your state/federal to add the municipalities tax id and tax rate (as it’d be variable by area)
Edit: And like I get if you are getting payroll deductions its easy for the city to just withdraw off the top before you get it, but you still need the final tax filing to accommodate mistakes, or income not earned through a payroll system.
Many companies can do payroll withholding for local/school taxes just like they do with State or Federal. There are boxes on your W-2 you get when you file your taxes that show this:
Yep, 3 forms to fill each year: Federal, State, Local/School
Its a pain, but so are Federal and State taxes. Municipal/school taxes can also get complicated if you work in one city with tax and live in another. Many will give you partial or full credit so you don’t end up paying full municipal income tax to two cities, but this isn’t always the case.
Just like each State has their own rules, each city can have theirs so your suggestion can’t be just numbers to fill in because which numbers may change between cities. Dividend income is one example I know different cities treat/tax differently. Yes its a pain, but, its adulting.
Wow, well TIL!
Thanks for taking the time to explain that.
I pay a 1% income tax to my local government.
This is incorrect. In China nobody owns a home. They get a lease on it from the government. For wealthy urban Chinese this has meant they get lifetime ownership so far, but this is not guaranteed.
Also if you are not born with the correct hukou then you are not allowed to purchase any valuable property at all.
Ok, so, apparently, I don’t know what I’m talking about. I did watch one YouTube video though, and suddenly I felt like an expert on China.
We already have this is many states in the USA. Its called the “Homestead Exemption”. Here’s an example from Ohio:
“This is a statewide program, administered by County Auditors under rules established by the Ohio Legislature and the Ohio Department of Taxation. This allows senior citizens (65 or older) as well as permanently and totally disabled homeowners to reduce their real estate taxes by the amount equal to the taxes that would otherwise be charged on $25,000 of the market value of an eligible taxpayer’s homestead or residence. The homestead may include up to one acre of land. Under the changes made by the Ohio Legislature and beginning with applications for tax year 2014, new participants in the program will be subject to an income test to be eligible.”
So matter how big your house is (as long as its on one acre of land or less and you have an income $$75k/year or below) you only get charged as though the house is worth $25k, which I think would obviously be a very low tax bill.
They qualify under the local homestead law.
But because that limits year over year increases (which I consider reasonable) and is reassessed after mayor upgrades (which they did) they now have a huge jump in taxes.