US election turnouts are low because neither party genuinely represents the people. The DNC ran rightward and lost in 2024, are you saying you want them to run further right, or further left? Which “center” are you talking about, the center of left and right, or center of DNC/GOP?
Republicans told Biden that he can use executive order to secure the border, but he ignored them. Not anti-immigration but securing the border. The US cannot support a flood of migrants. If Biden and Harris were far right, what is Trump?
In fact, there’s fewer and fewer people in the center. Americans are abandoning the center in droves. And the Democratic Party, as liberals always do, is moving right to chase the fascist vote, because the left is a threat to Dems.
No, if Americans are abandoning the center, Trump’s popularity would be soaring. Democrats should move to the right not far right. Merz of Germany adopted tough immigration views, but they were not as extreme as that of the AFD.
The economy is always the top issue in any presidential election. Most Americans will not want a leftist economic policy. It will certainly mean high taxes in order to pay for all the social programs.
To be clear, social programs are not “Socialism,” Socialism is a separate organization of the economy where public ownership makes up the principle aspect.
I don’t really agree with designating social programs themselves as “right” or “left,” I think once you move outside the umbrella of Socialism vs Capitalism those descriptors cease to be useful. Something being paid for with taxes doesn’t make it anti-Capitalist, Lockheed Martin for example is quite right wing but depends entirely on tax dollars.
That being said, I do agree that conservative media calls social programs “Socialist” or “Communist” to fear-monger, but I also think liberal media uses terms like “Socialist” for distinctly Capitalist economies like Norway in order to blunt what Socialism actually is and make it compatible with Capitalism, defanging revolutionary and radical sentiment.
That’s too broad for both, even if people occasionally follow your usage. Feudalism was not Capitalism, but definitely had resources in few hands. In fact, Capitalism extended the number of wealthy individuals over feudalism. Traditionally, Socialism and Capitalism are seen as modes of production, the former based on public ownership as the principle aspect of the economy (such as in Cuba, the PRC, former USSR, etc) while the latter is based on Private ownership as the principle aspect (such as in the US, Norway, or Argentina).
No, they like some social programs such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid but things such as free education beyond high school and guaranteed minimum income will require high taxes.
Too much socialism is bad because it will certainly involve increasing taxes to pay for social programs. High taxes discourage people from working hard. Why would you work hard knowing much of your earnings would be taken away? Free education beyond high school would mean higher taxes not only to pay for the school but to spot scams. Scam trade schools would pop up which don’t teach well and pass students who don’t perform well.
Socialism is not “social programs,” it’s an economic mode of organization where public property is the principle aspect. Further, higher social programs invests in a more productive working class. Finally, Capitalists don’t create any value, they exploit their wealth, it should be returned to the working class.
Are you saying that only certain views are allowed on lemmy.ml? How would you learn anything if everyone in the group thinks the same? The psychological term is called groupthink and leads to poor decision making.
The .ml stands for Marxism-Leninism. That’s why you copy-pasted a sentence from the communist manifesto when signing up. Other views are allowed, but only to a point (which you haven’t crossed IMO). Although your talk about immigrants is right on the edge, and you probably will eventually be banned from here. Lemmy.world is probably more your speed
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Copying from the Communist Manifesto doesn’t necessarily mean that you have to believe in it. I belong to a community here discussing movies. Are you saying that only movies supporting Marxism can be discussed? Securing the border is not bigotry. When Biden was allowing illegal migrants to flood in, cities had migrants sleeping in the streets. Mayors of these cities pleaded with Biden for help, but he ignored them. It is bigotry when there is a hatred for these migrants because of their ethnicity. An example is the AFD party of Germany.
You have no idea what you’re talking about, you’re just regurgitating right wing propaganda. Biden expanded on Trump’s xenophobic immigration policies, who expanded on Obama’s xenophobic immigration policies, who expanded on Bush’s xenophobic immigration policies, etc. And guess what? There’s still migrants sleeping in the streets, just like there’s still US citizens sleeping in the streets
Biden let illegal migrants flood across the border. One of Trump’s top attacks of Biden was that he wasn’t controlling the border. Trump has secured the border so well that very few illegal migrants cross. If there are illegal migrants sleeping in the streets, ICE would surely notice and deport them.
If Democrats want to win, they better move toward the center because that’s where most Americans are.
US election turnouts are low because neither party genuinely represents the people. The DNC ran rightward and lost in 2024, are you saying you want them to run further right, or further left? Which “center” are you talking about, the center of left and right, or center of DNC/GOP?
No, Biden and Harris were too far to the left. Letting in a flood of illegal migrants is a leftist policy.
The Biden/Harris presidency locked up as many immigrants as they could. There was no “flood.”
Anti-immigration rhetoric is just xenophobic nonsense.
Biden and Harris are far-right, they lost votes by moving right wing.
Republicans told Biden that he can use executive order to secure the border, but he ignored them. Not anti-immigration but securing the border. The US cannot support a flood of migrants. If Biden and Harris were far right, what is Trump?
The Biden/Harris presidency locked up as many immigrants as they could. There was no “flood.”
“Securing the border” is just xenophobic nonsense and anti-immigration rhetoric. The US gains more than it loses when people immigrate.
Trump is a bit more to the right than Biden/Harris, in general the US Empire is a far-right genocidal terrorist regime.
What an idiotic takeaway.
In fact, there’s fewer and fewer people in the center. Americans are abandoning the center in droves. And the Democratic Party, as liberals always do, is moving right to chase the fascist vote, because the left is a threat to Dems.
No, if Americans are abandoning the center, Trump’s popularity would be soaring. Democrats should move to the right not far right. Merz of Germany adopted tough immigration views, but they were not as extreme as that of the AFD.
Unfortunately they are moving right, and thus even further away from the center
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The economy is always the top issue in any presidential election. Most Americans will not want a leftist economic policy. It will certainly mean high taxes in order to pay for all the social programs.
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To be clear, social programs are not “Socialism,” Socialism is a separate organization of the economy where public ownership makes up the principle aspect.
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I don’t really agree with designating social programs themselves as “right” or “left,” I think once you move outside the umbrella of Socialism vs Capitalism those descriptors cease to be useful. Something being paid for with taxes doesn’t make it anti-Capitalist, Lockheed Martin for example is quite right wing but depends entirely on tax dollars.
That being said, I do agree that conservative media calls social programs “Socialist” or “Communist” to fear-monger, but I also think liberal media uses terms like “Socialist” for distinctly Capitalist economies like Norway in order to blunt what Socialism actually is and make it compatible with Capitalism, defanging revolutionary and radical sentiment.
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That’s too broad for both, even if people occasionally follow your usage. Feudalism was not Capitalism, but definitely had resources in few hands. In fact, Capitalism extended the number of wealthy individuals over feudalism. Traditionally, Socialism and Capitalism are seen as modes of production, the former based on public ownership as the principle aspect of the economy (such as in Cuba, the PRC, former USSR, etc) while the latter is based on Private ownership as the principle aspect (such as in the US, Norway, or Argentina).
No, they like some social programs such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid but things such as free education beyond high school and guaranteed minimum income will require high taxes.
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Too much socialism is bad because it will certainly involve increasing taxes to pay for social programs. High taxes discourage people from working hard. Why would you work hard knowing much of your earnings would be taken away? Free education beyond high school would mean higher taxes not only to pay for the school but to spot scams. Scam trade schools would pop up which don’t teach well and pass students who don’t perform well.
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Socialism is not “social programs,” it’s an economic mode of organization where public property is the principle aspect. Further, higher social programs invests in a more productive working class. Finally, Capitalists don’t create any value, they exploit their wealth, it should be returned to the working class.
tbf, Democrats moving “towards the center” would mean moving left
how did you even get on lemmy.ml? Which line from the manifesto did you copy and paste?
Are you saying that only certain views are allowed on lemmy.ml? How would you learn anything if everyone in the group thinks the same? The psychological term is called groupthink and leads to poor decision making.
The .ml stands for Marxism-Leninism. That’s why you copy-pasted a sentence from the communist manifesto when signing up. Other views are allowed, but only to a point (which you haven’t crossed IMO). Although your talk about immigrants is right on the edge, and you probably will eventually be banned from here. Lemmy.world is probably more your speed
On the sidebar, you can see that certain views are absolutely not allowed here:
If you allow the bigotry, then you face the paradox of tolerance. .
Copying from the Communist Manifesto doesn’t necessarily mean that you have to believe in it. I belong to a community here discussing movies. Are you saying that only movies supporting Marxism can be discussed? Securing the border is not bigotry. When Biden was allowing illegal migrants to flood in, cities had migrants sleeping in the streets. Mayors of these cities pleaded with Biden for help, but he ignored them. It is bigotry when there is a hatred for these migrants because of their ethnicity. An example is the AFD party of Germany.
You have no idea what you’re talking about, you’re just regurgitating right wing propaganda. Biden expanded on Trump’s xenophobic immigration policies, who expanded on Obama’s xenophobic immigration policies, who expanded on Bush’s xenophobic immigration policies, etc. And guess what? There’s still migrants sleeping in the streets, just like there’s still US citizens sleeping in the streets
Biden let illegal migrants flood across the border. One of Trump’s top attacks of Biden was that he wasn’t controlling the border. Trump has secured the border so well that very few illegal migrants cross. If there are illegal migrants sleeping in the streets, ICE would surely notice and deport them.
Goddamn you’re dumb
I dont think its possible for them to be more in the center. You must mean more to the right.
They could be closer to the center by moving far to the left.