Meta has won against Kadrey et al — the authors’ case against Meta training their Llama LLM on the authors’ books, including on pirate copies. [Order, PDF; case docket] Both sides brought motions f…
If I pirated a book and wrote a review of it, would that make the review copyright infringement?
That would leave pirating the book be copyright infringement. But if you used AI (trained on the pirated book) to write a review, then pirating the book wouldn’t be copyright infringement, at least according to this judge.
Re Anthropic, their ruling was that downloading itself was copyright infringement, regardless of whether Anthropic distributed works while torrenting them.
In Meta’s case the plaintiffs will likely find it impossible to demonstrate that the data which Meta uploaded contained specifically their books. Maybe all the other torrent users who were downloading that torrent were downloading other parts of it.
@diz Sorry, I was under the impression that Anthropic was fined for seeding torrents, but I must have gotten a wire crossed. Some countries only seem to consider seeding to be copyright infringement on the seeder’s part. The meta judge’s ruling seemed consistent with that, but if downloading is infringement in the US, I guess not.
For what it’s worth, however the courts decide, I think the path forward is the same: creatives further organising and developing slop resistant spaces and markets.
That would leave pirating the book be copyright infringement. But if you used AI (trained on the pirated book) to write a review, then pirating the book wouldn’t be copyright infringement, at least according to this judge.
Re Anthropic, their ruling was that downloading itself was copyright infringement, regardless of whether Anthropic distributed works while torrenting them.
In Meta’s case the plaintiffs will likely find it impossible to demonstrate that the data which Meta uploaded contained specifically their books. Maybe all the other torrent users who were downloading that torrent were downloading other parts of it.
@diz Sorry, I was under the impression that Anthropic was fined for seeding torrents, but I must have gotten a wire crossed. Some countries only seem to consider seeding to be copyright infringement on the seeder’s part. The meta judge’s ruling seemed consistent with that, but if downloading is infringement in the US, I guess not.
For what it’s worth, however the courts decide, I think the path forward is the same: creatives further organising and developing slop resistant spaces and markets.