The NYPD is skulking through the L train demanding IDs from Black and Latino men, again with zero justified cause or explanation as to why.
The NYPD is skulking through the L train demanding IDs from Black and Latino men, again with zero justified cause or explanation as to why.
Would someone care to explain why would they not show their ID? Is it better to get detained than showing your ID, unless you have something to hide?
Anyway, in my country we are required by law to show police officers our IDs when asked.
It’s literally a fourth amendment right. I’m not cool with any of my rights being infringed upon. No one should be ok with this.
As I said, I’m not from America, I wouldn’t know your laws, that’s why I’m asking
When assessing the degree and quality of liberty in a country, one of the factors considered in academic political science is the requirement of personal identification by law enforcement. It [used] to be a trope of Hollywood cinema that takes place in the Eastern Bloc (Warsaw Pact countries) that ordinary citizens and obvious tourists were routinely harassed by law enforcement for their papers, a stark reminder that here in the states you can even cross state lines without identifying yourself.
It’s getting more interesting as law enforcement is pre-emptively collecting biometric data on school kids and other vulnerable demographics.
Currently wending through state courts is the controversy of using biometric data to identify suspects, which may be regarded as an [unreasonable] search from which we (all, citizens or otherwise) are supposed to be protected, according to the fourth amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
In this specific incident, the NYPD is notoriously racist and aggressive, so this may be contempt of cop while black As the adage goes, you can beat the rap but you can’t beat the ride. This assures these young men will have a bad week regardless of their guilt of any wrongdoing.
As others have said we are not required to provide ID unless there is a cause. Stopping 2 people without stating why means no cause and they have the right to say no and it should end with ok have a nice day, but our rights are tested more and more. Some good news is its generally an easy case for a lawyer to pickup and win meaning they could get a payout from the city. The sad news is generally nothing will be done about the cops who abuse their job and cause the tax payers more money in lawsuits that should never happen.
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I smell BS.
Didn’t do anything, but got banned? Possible, but improbable.
Got so upset by a ban on Lemmy that the person died? So close to impossible that I would call it impossible.
and then Lincoln bust out the closet and said see kids this is why acab and gave everyone fifty dollars
They know they’re being racially profiled and didn’t feel like playing along and making life easier for the cops.
Are you required to always carry ID in your country?
Yep
so if I wanna take a stroll in the morning in my gym shorts without my wallet flopping around in my pocket, I am committing a crime?
Yes. In that case they will probably ask you about your info, check in their system, you would get a fine for not carrying your documents, and that’s it.
A BIG difference, however, is that they will not even approach you if you are not doing something you should not be doing. In other words, they will not bother you while you’re sitting on a bench or taking a stroll.
As an individual, its probably easier to just show ID, but as a society its a bad idea to let this become the norm. Because the next step is just checkpoints.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_checkpoint#Military_use
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_checkpoint
Very authoritarian. You shouldn’t have to justify your existence, the government should be the ones with the burden to prove you did something wrong, you shouldn’t need to prove your innocence.
Dumb question because we don’t know these men and we can’t answer for them. If you’re really interested, look up the case and see if there’s any news, they may have told their stories by now.
What country do you live in?