Hundreds of people have thrown their signatures behind a petition calling for “the immediate removal” of all speed enforcement cameras in Brampton while the city is set to add more by the end of the summer.
They believe they have a God given right to break the speed limit
@Davriellelouna I dunno, I think there are other ways – obviously nobody likes paying a fine for doing a pretty reasonable speed with no traffic or pedestrians around, even if it is a CSZ. like, <60 in a 50 zone that is a 40 CSZ when there is nobody around, doesn’t feel fair. But also those speed cameras are not just spotting traffic, theyre always watching you. The discomfort with them is real
@Davriellelouna what could we do instead? more transit, more density, being able to walk to more places we need to go. but instead we get speed traps harassing people who are honestly acting pretty reasonable (ok, obviously there are maniacs who are not reasonable – but they all drive benzes and bmws, so a fine probably isnt stopping them)
Roads should be designed so that it’s uncomfortable to drive above the targeted speed limit.
Things like road narrowing, speed bumps, bulb outs, lane adjustments, speed humps, pavement decorations, one way chokepoints, etc.
Current the Ontario road geometry supplement requires streets and roads to be geometrically designed to be at least 20kph higher than the posted limit. Well guess what, you want to naturally drive the design speed instead of posted.
Lower design speeds and target the remaining maniacs.
Thankfully, lessons from Europe seem to be penetrating Canada now; at least in the more urban areas. I saw some fantastic progress living in Montréal. Ottawa has the right ideas despite the master plan not being clear to people yet. Toronto was on the right path, but we’ll see what provincial pressures do. My current town of Kingston is late to the party, but we’ve got momentum in the right direction.
We spent 50+ years changing our built environment to “optimise” for the car, even with the best intentions it’s going to take time to change again.
@Davriellelouna I dunno, I think there are other ways – obviously nobody likes paying a fine for doing a pretty reasonable speed with no traffic or pedestrians around, even if it is a CSZ. like, <60 in a 50 zone that is a 40 CSZ when there is nobody around, doesn’t feel fair. But also those speed cameras are not just spotting traffic, theyre always watching you. The discomfort with them is real
Why? Why does it feel unfair to follow the speed limit?
@Davriellelouna what could we do instead? more transit, more density, being able to walk to more places we need to go. but instead we get speed traps harassing people who are honestly acting pretty reasonable (ok, obviously there are maniacs who are not reasonable – but they all drive benzes and bmws, so a fine probably isnt stopping them)
Roads should be designed so that it’s uncomfortable to drive above the targeted speed limit.
Things like road narrowing, speed bumps, bulb outs, lane adjustments, speed humps, pavement decorations, one way chokepoints, etc.
Current the Ontario road geometry supplement requires streets and roads to be geometrically designed to be at least 20kph higher than the posted limit. Well guess what, you want to naturally drive the design speed instead of posted.
Lower design speeds and target the remaining maniacs.
Quick video explaining speed of the measures I brought up (and why they work): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmxBcrXpClg
everything you say is true.
But thinking that cities will redesign their streets without public pressure? I doubt it.
Thankfully, lessons from Europe seem to be penetrating Canada now; at least in the more urban areas. I saw some fantastic progress living in Montréal. Ottawa has the right ideas despite the master plan not being clear to people yet. Toronto was on the right path, but we’ll see what provincial pressures do. My current town of Kingston is late to the party, but we’ve got momentum in the right direction.
We spent 50+ years changing our built environment to “optimise” for the car, even with the best intentions it’s going to take time to change again.