Nobody will believe it and I got over 100 downvotes. So here you go: China was making liberal changes after Mao and moved away from marxism. The leadership changed and Deng Xiaoping moved ahead to shitty deals for the citizens. Deng openly admitted, that he believed in confucianism and wanted to make changes towards it. A lot of the citizens were unhappy with it and wanted more socialism - which includes more democracy - but also changes to better working-conditions. Because Deng and the new leaders didn’t want that, they moved forward with tanks and military.
tl:dr: socialists were on the streets and were fought with tanks - the tankies were confucianists, who wanted more capitalism
Honestly I’m perfectly happy to discuss what caused Tianenmen and why it happened, I just strenuously object to any implications that it didn’t happen, it was a CIA op, or that the Chinese government was in any way justified in its actions
You get what you give. Maybe next time you’ll actually make a coherent point from the outset instead of smugly implying that you know things others won’t believe.
Could you give a one paragraph tldr off the top of your mind?
Nobody will believe it and I got over 100 downvotes. So here you go: China was making liberal changes after Mao and moved away from marxism. The leadership changed and Deng Xiaoping moved ahead to shitty deals for the citizens. Deng openly admitted, that he believed in confucianism and wanted to make changes towards it. A lot of the citizens were unhappy with it and wanted more socialism - which includes more democracy - but also changes to better working-conditions. Because Deng and the new leaders didn’t want that, they moved forward with tanks and military.
tl:dr: socialists were on the streets and were fought with tanks - the tankies were confucianists, who wanted more capitalism
There may be a grain of truth in that. I’m glad you explained yourself. I definitely appreciate that these things are nor black and white.
Would you say the protestors wanted more socialism’s but not more Mao-style communism?
dno tbh - this whole thing is like a black box and everybody is talking shit - but denying it happened is the dumbest thing to do
Honestly I’m perfectly happy to discuss what caused Tianenmen and why it happened, I just strenuously object to any implications that it didn’t happen, it was a CIA op, or that the Chinese government was in any way justified in its actions
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Yeah that makes sense. I’ve heard the current system called “fascism with Chinese characteristics” too.
Neat so China is an evil capitalist entity that wants to destroy socialism
Who said this? I didn’t. It’s a bit more complicated.
Oh, I thought the students were standing for socialism and the government cracked down on them
You’re playing with me. I don’t like that. Yes, that’s what I said, but you said sth. different before.
Does that not make the CCP anti-socialist?
I’m not trying to be mean
I don’t understand you. Really.
I think I’m just missing something, sorry
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Damn that was a lot of work indeed. Can’t believe you managed to do it.
can’t believe everybody needs to write a stupid comment - there are enough
You get what you give. Maybe next time you’ll actually make a coherent point from the outset instead of smugly implying that you know things others won’t believe.
I gave links and also an explanation. You can find it with a bit of scrolling.
You did that well after multiple people dragged it out of you.
Re-read my comment. I said “from the outset”.
Sorry, I’m not native, I’ve overread it.
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Not democracy like we know it. This is important. They wanted more participation and not voting parties.