Pupils will be banned from wearing abayas, loose-fitting full-length robes worn by some Muslim women, in France’s state-run schools, the education minister has said.

The rule will be applied as soon as the new school year starts on 4 September.

France has a strict ban on religious signs in state schools and government buildings, arguing that they violate secular laws.

Wearing a headscarf has been banned since 2004 in state-run schools.

  • make -j8
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    232 years ago

    No it’s not. making something mandatory for a group of people makes that group of people well separated from the rest. here is exactly opposite : they are trying to make them look like anyone else.

    • @[email protected]
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      132 years ago

      “trying to make them” is a problematic phrase and why this doesn’t make sense. Nobody should be “made” to do anything, if people are choosing to look different they should be free to do so.

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        122 years ago

        But they don’t choose tho. Parents do, but not kids

    • @[email protected]
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      332 years ago

      this ban is as dumb as banning heavy metal, dungeons and dragons, skateboards, backwards baseball caps, etc etc

      it’s all just trying to look tough enough to court right wing racists on targets too vulnerable to fight back.

      if you want to protect vulnerable young girls, you don’t start by ostracising them from the community.

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          42 years ago

          how is saying someone from a group of people can’t dress in attitudes that identifies them as a member of the group not ostracising? it’s the very definition.

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            12 years ago

            Because “ostracizing” means “to exclude” someone. While imposing a common dress standard is to include everyone. so petty much the opposite of “ostracizing”

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              32 years ago

              A common dress standard would be called a uniform. This law isn’t mandating uniforms, so you’re incorrect. It’s excluding religious groups, so yes, ostracizing.

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                22 years ago

                Ostracising means to exclude. The law forces the blending. The mental gymnastics you need to find “exclusion” in that is buffing. Again it’s not excluding anyone, it tries to male them blend with the rest. Blend. Mix. Nobody is excluded. I never mentioned uniforms, neither the law, i don’t know why you bring that up. Yes, uniforms obviously make everyone uniform but we aren’t talking about it. Dressing regularly also make everyone look “regular” or “secular”, we don’t need uniforms.

                If anything, the groups of people are literally excluding themselves by wearing stuff nobody else does.

                Looks like at some point people are just repeating the same argument for everything and opposite of it.

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      182 years ago

      You know what makes everyone look alike? A niqab.

      Someone call the Taliban and let them know they’re defenders of freedom.

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        122 years ago

        lol your argument is dumb sorry You know what else make everyone alike? Plastic surgery. Someone call surgeons

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          Plastic surgery does not make everyone look alike. That’s a silly thing to say lol

          Also you’re missing the highly relevant point that plastic surgery is not compulsory

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            72 years ago

            Well i made a silly argument to show you how I feel about yours lol.

            Nobody is imposing a cloth on anyone, and even less a religious one. So you can’t use niqqab in your argument against me because that’s literally what i am against!

            You could say for example that’s a cultural thing, and forbidding it would somehow restrict the minority. But then, it’s only public schools, the law doesn’t care (me neither) about adults wearing it outside. (I don’t know why I am arguing with myself on your behalf 🤔)

            What it does care about, is to prevent community bubbles forming within groups of children. Which i totally support.