Absolutely. If I happen to order a beer at the fair I’m going to tomorrow, I’m not going to tip because that’s beer to go. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone tip in that circumstance.
That’s not a bartender/bar scenario, we are way afield of that. If you step into a bar and order a drink, do you ever not tip (aside from the obvious such as really really rude/nasty service)?
Yes, that is a bartender operating out of a portable bar, complete with bar signage. Their point of sale being outdoors rather than in a building does not magically change that.
If I were in an indoor bar that operated like Starbucks, I would not tip. Most do not operate that way, though. The indoor bars I have gone to all operated like traditional bars, so I’ve tipped there.
Dude come on. You keep dancing around this. I am talking about a standard-fare bar, what everyone considers them to be. Generally a dedicated space that serves alcohol with a year-round license. The last sentence you wrote is clearly what I am talking about. So yes, you do tip at bars for a beer.
The point is, did a bartender exert any more effort pulling out a beer and popping a bottle cap and handing it to you then somebody who made you a coffee?
Tipping at coffee shops is pretty culturally standard. I understand why you do not, but I am only trying to point out that whenever we start saying “I tip these people but not those people,” when clearly they all work a job that depends on tips to make it work, you’re just being inconsistent and are punishing one group arbitrarily over another.
No, as I explained in my very first reply, bars are part of the full service model, like sit-down restaurants. Full service establishments get tips.
Coffee shops are a pickup model, like fast food. Pickup establishments get tip jars.
As I said, if I’m at a bar using the pickup model, I don’t tip. If I’m at a coffee shop using the full service model, I tip. But I’ve never been at such a coffee shop, so the point is moot.
Find me one and I’ll gladly tip. I tip based on service model, which is 100% consistent.
That’s a lot of caveats. So you’re saying there are situations where you’ll walk into a bar, buy a beer, and not tip?
Absolutely. If I happen to order a beer at the fair I’m going to tomorrow, I’m not going to tip because that’s beer to go. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone tip in that circumstance.
That’s not a bartender/bar scenario, we are way afield of that. If you step into a bar and order a drink, do you ever not tip (aside from the obvious such as really really rude/nasty service)?
Yes, that is a bartender operating out of a portable bar, complete with bar signage. Their point of sale being outdoors rather than in a building does not magically change that.
If I were in an indoor bar that operated like Starbucks, I would not tip. Most do not operate that way, though. The indoor bars I have gone to all operated like traditional bars, so I’ve tipped there.
Dude come on. You keep dancing around this. I am talking about a standard-fare bar, what everyone considers them to be. Generally a dedicated space that serves alcohol with a year-round license. The last sentence you wrote is clearly what I am talking about. So yes, you do tip at bars for a beer.
The point is, did a bartender exert any more effort pulling out a beer and popping a bottle cap and handing it to you then somebody who made you a coffee?
Tipping at coffee shops is pretty culturally standard. I understand why you do not, but I am only trying to point out that whenever we start saying “I tip these people but not those people,” when clearly they all work a job that depends on tips to make it work, you’re just being inconsistent and are punishing one group arbitrarily over another.
No, as I explained in my very first reply, bars are part of the full service model, like sit-down restaurants. Full service establishments get tips.
Coffee shops are a pickup model, like fast food. Pickup establishments get tip jars.
As I said, if I’m at a bar using the pickup model, I don’t tip. If I’m at a coffee shop using the full service model, I tip. But I’ve never been at such a coffee shop, so the point is moot.
Find me one and I’ll gladly tip. I tip based on service model, which is 100% consistent.