Sorry, I don’t follow…can you clarify? I already pointed out that if someone were unhappy with optional tipping then they wouldn’t have any reason to be upset with someone deciding to tip $1000 or $20 or $0. That’s what optional means, having an option. So anyone who would be upset by an optional tip of $0 must be unhappy with their inconsistent tipped based income, obviously.
Because honestly it’s really not a hard decision at all, I just literally never tip.
If part of your goal is to make them quit but you only want people who are unhappy with their tips to quit then you gotta target the people who are unhappy with their tips otherwise your not tipping will make someone who is otherwise happy with their tips to become unhappy with their tips and you will have actively harmed your otherwise perfectly fine server.
You can always just admit that the justification you used is a cover for your antisocial behavior.
Because I want to convince others not to tip as well due to it helping people. And it seems to be working if it’s upsetting people who endorse giving or receiving tips.
Same reason you can’t say “I endorse tipping despite the harms it causes to those I directly (and indirectly) interact with, because it makes me feel good as a tipper and/or I like it when I get big tips sometimes”.
I have yet to hear an actual argument, even a weak one, as to why an inconsistent unknown income with a unreasonably low base wage is better than a fixed and fair one. I’m always open to changing my position if providing a convincing argument though.
Do you know that it’s having that effect? What kind of follow up interviews have you conducted to make sure people are getting the message and your not tipping is effective?
So like I said, if you really believe you’re helping people by pushing them out of jobs you don’t approve of, consider abuse, false reporting and bullying as well. You’re really limiting your ability to force people out of jobs you don’t approve of if you only vote with your dollars.
I have already addressed this point and you ignored it entirely. So I’ll just requote this to make clear you are unable to provide an answer.
I have yet to hear an actual argument, even a weak one, as to why an inconsistent unknown income with an unreasonably low base wage is better than a fixed and fair one. I’m always open to changing my position if providing a convincing argument though.
So I never said any of that and I’m not arguing for it against it. It’s not the topic of our thread of discussion, which I’ll restate for you:
If you don’t tip you’re a bad person.
Not to get all uno reverse on you, but I never got a response to my reply directly to what you did say and what is the topic of our conversation which you claimed you addressed but I for the life of me cant find it so I’ll repeat it here:
Do you know that it’s having that effect? What kind of follow up interviews have you conducted to make sure people are getting the message and your not tipping is effective?
Tipping itself supports a system of tipping. So anyone who tips is in support of tipping. It’s very very simple.
So if you don’t support the tipping system, you won’t tip. But you do support the system, and this tip.
I don’t need to follow up on interviews to know that lowering the average amount of tips received will push people toward pressuring their employers for fair wages. It’s the obvious result.
Sorry, I don’t follow…can you clarify? I already pointed out that if someone were unhappy with optional tipping then they wouldn’t have any reason to be upset with someone deciding to tip $1000 or $20 or $0. That’s what optional means, having an option. So anyone who would be upset by an optional tip of $0 must be unhappy with their inconsistent tipped based income, obviously.
Because honestly it’s really not a hard decision at all, I just literally never tip.
If part of your goal is to make them quit but you only want people who are unhappy with their tips to quit then you gotta target the people who are unhappy with their tips otherwise your not tipping will make someone who is otherwise happy with their tips to become unhappy with their tips and you will have actively harmed your otherwise perfectly fine server.
You can always just admit that the justification you used is a cover for your antisocial behavior.
Why would I even need a cover for tipping when it’s optional? Or is it not optional?
Why do you need a cover if it’s optional?
Why can’t you just say “I refuse to tip and I don’t care if it harms people I directly interact with”?
Because I want to convince others not to tip as well due to it helping people. And it seems to be working if it’s upsetting people who endorse giving or receiving tips.
Same reason you can’t say “I endorse tipping despite the harms it causes to those I directly (and indirectly) interact with, because it makes me feel good as a tipper and/or I like it when I get big tips sometimes”.
I have yet to hear an actual argument, even a weak one, as to why an inconsistent unknown income with a unreasonably low base wage is better than a fixed and fair one. I’m always open to changing my position if providing a convincing argument though.
Do you know that it’s having that effect? What kind of follow up interviews have you conducted to make sure people are getting the message and your not tipping is effective?
So like I said, if you really believe you’re helping people by pushing them out of jobs you don’t approve of, consider abuse, false reporting and bullying as well. You’re really limiting your ability to force people out of jobs you don’t approve of if you only vote with your dollars.
Step it up.
I have already addressed this point and you ignored it entirely. So I’ll just requote this to make clear you are unable to provide an answer.
So I never said any of that and I’m not arguing for it against it. It’s not the topic of our thread of discussion, which I’ll restate for you:
If you don’t tip you’re a bad person.
Not to get all uno reverse on you, but I never got a response to my reply directly to what you did say and what is the topic of our conversation which you claimed you addressed but I for the life of me cant find it so I’ll repeat it here:
Tipping itself supports a system of tipping. So anyone who tips is in support of tipping. It’s very very simple.
So if you don’t support the tipping system, you won’t tip. But you do support the system, and this tip.
I don’t need to follow up on interviews to know that lowering the average amount of tips received will push people toward pressuring their employers for fair wages. It’s the obvious result.