I guess this is true for a lot of countries on this map where population numbers have increased in the higher two digits. At least it’s also true for Switzerland and yet one of the most popular political parties is actively promoting laws to limit further immigration. Not that this is surprising in the current political environment in Europe where it seems we are seeing a right shift in a lot of governments nowadays.
What happens if all countries were doing well enough for immigration to slow down? Like not having constant wars and dictatorships?
What happens if your country becomes less appealing to immigrants, or gets a short surge of anti immigration leadership like the US?
If an increase in population is necessary to support retirement and your own population can’t sustain that, then you are propping up a system that requires other countries to be worse off. That cannot continue indefinitely.
Most of the world is an unfixable cesspit of corruption, authoritarianism, and misery. It’s not possible to bring corrupt dictatorships to EU living standards because the power structures in those countries will hijack any effort to do so, using the funds to further concentrate wealth and power.
The only way that someone in such countries can hope to improve their life is through immigration.
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I guess this is true for a lot of countries on this map where population numbers have increased in the higher two digits. At least it’s also true for Switzerland and yet one of the most popular political parties is actively promoting laws to limit further immigration. Not that this is surprising in the current political environment in Europe where it seems we are seeing a right shift in a lot of governments nowadays.
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That seems to suggest that relying on immigration to support a population is not a sustainable system.
The unsustainable part is having a pension and health system which relies on constant growth.
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What happens if all countries were doing well enough for immigration to slow down? Like not having constant wars and dictatorships?
What happens if your country becomes less appealing to immigrants, or gets a short surge of anti immigration leadership like the US?
If an increase in population is necessary to support retirement and your own population can’t sustain that, then you are propping up a system that requires other countries to be worse off. That cannot continue indefinitely.
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I think you are assuming that my comment was trying to invalidate yours instead of expanding on it with my own observation.
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I didn’t say that you suggested anything or that you need to explain anything.
Have you had a discussion where people expanded on and added to other people’s comments before or is this a new experience?
It will continue in the foreseeable future though.
World utopia isn’t coming anytime soon, and until then, the EU is better than most of the world under whatever metrics you want to use.
It also means there is a disincentive to help bring up the rest of the world because that would reduce the rate of immigration.
Most of the world is an unfixable cesspit of corruption, authoritarianism, and misery. It’s not possible to bring corrupt dictatorships to EU living standards because the power structures in those countries will hijack any effort to do so, using the funds to further concentrate wealth and power.
The only way that someone in such countries can hope to improve their life is through immigration.