Giving an animal the ability to talk, feel, and act like a human does not give me empathetic feelings towards it, no.
I also don’t eat suckling pig, so there’s that too.
Studies have shown that pigs are more intelligent than dogs. By your logic, eating pigs is more cruel than eating dogs.
I am not now, and never will be a vegan.
Alright, I never asked you to become vegan. I just pointed out your code of ethics, when it comes to what animals do and don’t deserve empathy, is cruel and irrational. What you do with that information is up to you.
Studies have shown that pigs are more intelligent than dogs. By your logic, eating pigs is more cruel than eating dogs.
And there it is. The gotcha.
I just pointed out your code of ethics
I’ll make sure not to eat peppa pig if I ever run across her.
My whole point in the first damn place was that making a comic with humanized pigs doesn’t make me feel anymore empathy than I already do. It doesn’t change my stance. It’s all propaganda.
I love how you say “the gotcha” as it invalidated the argument. There is a paradox in your ethics, pointing out the way ppl tell you about it won’t change anything about the fact being presented here.
It feels like to me that you are more concerned about winning an argument than adressing what is being talked about here.
They actually don’t. I’ve raised pigs, and they keep themselves clean- they pick one corner of the pen to shit in and a different corner to sleep and eat in, given the opportunity. The idea that they shit where they eat is probably (dunno for sure) because they clean themselves by taking dust baths, and when it rains, the wallow turns into mud. They roll in the mud to stay cool when it’s hot sometimes, but it isn’t shit.
We had a pig when I was a kid who could work the lock on her pen and escape into the fields next door to eat grass. They’re pretty smart.
Unclean doesn’t always mean “dirty”. A lot of things that are considered unclean by different religions are considered so because they’re spiritually unclean, rather than literally filthy. Historical riligious objections to pork are probably because of human-transmissible parasites and disease like trichinosis, which aren’t as much of a concern anymore.
Pigs were kept near to people and were a vector for disease because they share similar biology to us. They weren’t unclean because they didn’t wash their hands or something stupid. They were unclean because they made people sick because of they way we kept them after domestication.
So “ability to talk” is your criteria for if something deserves empathy or not?
Giving an animal the ability to talk, feel, and act like a human does not give me empathetic feelings towards it, no.
I also don’t eat suckling pig, so there’s that too.
What about cats or dogs? Do you not feel empathy towards them either?
What the hell does any of that matter? You trying to hit me with a gotcha when I say I give a shit about cats and dogs?
I am not now, and never will be a vegan.
Go convince someone who’s on the fence about it. I ain’t your guy.
Studies have shown that pigs are more intelligent than dogs. By your logic, eating pigs is more cruel than eating dogs.
Alright, I never asked you to become vegan. I just pointed out your code of ethics, when it comes to what animals do and don’t deserve empathy, is cruel and irrational. What you do with that information is up to you.
And there it is. The gotcha.
I’ll make sure not to eat peppa pig if I ever run across her.
My whole point in the first damn place was that making a comic with humanized pigs doesn’t make me feel anymore empathy than I already do. It doesn’t change my stance. It’s all propaganda.
So you are aware of the cruelty but proudly proclaim that you’ll always willingly participate, no matter what?
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I love how you say “the gotcha” as it invalidated the argument. There is a paradox in your ethics, pointing out the way ppl tell you about it won’t change anything about the fact being presented here.
It feels like to me that you are more concerned about winning an argument than adressing what is being talked about here.
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Don’t interact then. As simple as that, if you can’t take input from other people on online forums.
They eat and shit in the same place. Idk what their measure for intelligence is, but most smart mammals don’t shit where they eat.
So that makes them undeserving of anything resembling a life. Got you.
Never said anything of the sort, you expired gogurt.
It’s what’s implied in your statement.
They actually don’t. I’ve raised pigs, and they keep themselves clean- they pick one corner of the pen to shit in and a different corner to sleep and eat in, given the opportunity. The idea that they shit where they eat is probably (dunno for sure) because they clean themselves by taking dust baths, and when it rains, the wallow turns into mud. They roll in the mud to stay cool when it’s hot sometimes, but it isn’t shit.
We had a pig when I was a kid who could work the lock on her pen and escape into the fields next door to eat grass. They’re pretty smart.
Thousands of years of religion forbidding pork because of how unclean pigs are vs this anecdote. Damn, I’m defeated.
Okay.
Unclean doesn’t always mean “dirty”. A lot of things that are considered unclean by different religions are considered so because they’re spiritually unclean, rather than literally filthy. Historical riligious objections to pork are probably because of human-transmissible parasites and disease like trichinosis, which aren’t as much of a concern anymore.
Pigs were kept near to people and were a vector for disease because they share similar biology to us. They weren’t unclean because they didn’t wash their hands or something stupid. They were unclean because they made people sick because of they way we kept them after domestication.