So here’s what I (think I) know. Proper historians please correct me.
Modern history saw Palestine mainly populated by Christians and Muslims till late 1800s, when a rise in Zionism led to increased migration into Palestine. This kept increasing and really accelerated from Germany in mid 1930s (strange huh.)
When Israel officially got its title as a nation given to them by the UN in 1947, the Arab nations all voted against as they felt the share of Palestine left to be called Palestine was not enough.
Conflict has been escalating since. But I feel this is the basis for the conflict as it is today.
the Arab nations all voted against as they felt the share of Palestine left to be called Palestine was not enough
Not only did they vote against it, they invaded Israel (already in civil war) and fought a bloody war until 1949. To their demise, the result of that war was that Israel won against the combined Arab League, even captured much of the Palestine territory and kept it.
That depends on how far back you want to go. If all you care about is the most recent incarnation of Israel, then yes. However my understanding is that the Jews have the longest standing claim to the land, it’s just that every time they reclaim it someone takes offense or gets greedy and kicks them back out. That’s part of the reason why the whole situation is a cluster fuck. The Muslims have been living there a long time before the current incarnation of Israel was forcibly established, but the Jews had never given up the land willingly. Additionally, both groups have claims to the land through their religious beliefs as the land is supposed to be holy.
So, why not rule together? Because the Zionists want Israel for the Jews and Hamas wants it for the Muslims, and are both religious extremists who are not the kind of people who would be willing to jointly govern together.
I actually considered drawing parallels between Israel/Palestine and an imaginary future where the US collapses into its individual states and foreign governments prop up the tribal governments with weapons and cash, however I thought the comparison might be lost on a lot of people.
No, I’m not saying what Israel is doing is okay, nor am I saying that it’s okay for Hamas to be murdering civilians en masse. All I was saying is that the situation is a clusterfuck. Giving Israel the land ignores all of the people who had been living there for hundreds of years and have no where else to go. Giving Palestine the land ignores the fact that the land has a long history of being stolen from Israel.
The ideal situation would be for Israel and Palestine to govern jointly, however as I said, Hamas and the Zionists would probably never be willing to compromise and they’re the ones who are currently causing problems.
Isnt Israel the original invader?
By this point I’m honestly not sure - claims, history, religion going back 1000s of years.
Point is both sides are attacking civilians and neither is right, but both are also protecting what they see as theirs.
So here’s what I (think I) know. Proper historians please correct me.
Modern history saw Palestine mainly populated by Christians and Muslims till late 1800s, when a rise in Zionism led to increased migration into Palestine. This kept increasing and really accelerated from Germany in mid 1930s (strange huh.)
When Israel officially got its title as a nation given to them by the UN in 1947, the Arab nations all voted against as they felt the share of Palestine left to be called Palestine was not enough.
Conflict has been escalating since. But I feel this is the basis for the conflict as it is today.
Not only did they vote against it, they invaded Israel (already in civil war) and fought a bloody war until 1949. To their demise, the result of that war was that Israel won against the combined Arab League, even captured much of the Palestine territory and kept it.
That depends on how far back you want to go. If all you care about is the most recent incarnation of Israel, then yes. However my understanding is that the Jews have the longest standing claim to the land, it’s just that every time they reclaim it someone takes offense or gets greedy and kicks them back out. That’s part of the reason why the whole situation is a cluster fuck. The Muslims have been living there a long time before the current incarnation of Israel was forcibly established, but the Jews had never given up the land willingly. Additionally, both groups have claims to the land through their religious beliefs as the land is supposed to be holy.
So, why not rule together? Because the Zionists want Israel for the Jews and Hamas wants it for the Muslims, and are both religious extremists who are not the kind of people who would be willing to jointly govern together.
so we give back the US to indigenous population and the rest can live in a 16 square mile strip?
I actually considered drawing parallels between Israel/Palestine and an imaginary future where the US collapses into its individual states and foreign governments prop up the tribal governments with weapons and cash, however I thought the comparison might be lost on a lot of people.
No, I’m not saying what Israel is doing is okay, nor am I saying that it’s okay for Hamas to be murdering civilians en masse. All I was saying is that the situation is a clusterfuck. Giving Israel the land ignores all of the people who had been living there for hundreds of years and have no where else to go. Giving Palestine the land ignores the fact that the land has a long history of being stolen from Israel.
The ideal situation would be for Israel and Palestine to govern jointly, however as I said, Hamas and the Zionists would probably never be willing to compromise and they’re the ones who are currently causing problems.
it’s hard to compromise with an oppressive state.
I wonder what a lot of these Israeli defenders would have advised the black people of South Africa to do during the 80s.
Just negotiate with the apartheid regime?
Israel has has years to try and find a solution to the problem they created.
There’s also the non-religious issue of the right of the Jews to have a place where they won’t be persecuted for being Jews.