They “rank higher” according to certain metrics and certain definitions of “democracy” and “liberty”. Take some more honest definitons, and take a more holistic perspective, taking into account how many of those countries are simply really good at exporting their exploitation, and they won’t score so highly. Also, being better than fascism is a really fucking low bar.
Or in other words, just because your shit sandwich doesn’t have cyanide in it doesn’t mean it isn’t still a shit sandwich.
Happiness of the people, rights for minorities, salaries, education.i could go on and on how countries that have democratised have made lives better for the people who live there.
Also I’ve never compared to fascism so I don’t know why you brought that up.
If you think I’m holding society to a low bar, then perhaps you’re holding society to an unrealistic and theoretical high bar? You have to work within the geopolitical constraints that you’re presented with. Please posit an alternative country that is an example of a well run and equitable society that doesn’t have democracy or liberalism?
Perhaps I was unclear, the “they” I was referring to in my original comment was tankies and fascists, as mentioned in the OP.
Anyways, this:
Happiness of the people, rights for minorities, salaries, education.i could go on and on how countries that have democratised have made lives better for the people who live there.
is a pretty vague and meaningless. In theory? Sure, sounds nice. In practice? It’s twisted doublespeak for systems that are still fundamentally authoritarian.
Again, what is democracy, really? How are these metrics measured?
There’s so much to unpack I’m not really sure where to start. Are you coming from a perspective of " capitalism can be reformed with democracy" or “voting with your dollar is democracy manifest” or smthn else?
They “rank higher” according to certain metrics and certain definitions of “democracy” and “liberty”. Take some more honest definitons, and take a more holistic perspective, taking into account how many of those countries are simply really good at exporting their exploitation, and they won’t score so highly. Also, being better than fascism is a really fucking low bar.
Or in other words, just because your shit sandwich doesn’t have cyanide in it doesn’t mean it isn’t still a shit sandwich.
Happiness of the people, rights for minorities, salaries, education.i could go on and on how countries that have democratised have made lives better for the people who live there.
Also I’ve never compared to fascism so I don’t know why you brought that up.
If you think I’m holding society to a low bar, then perhaps you’re holding society to an unrealistic and theoretical high bar? You have to work within the geopolitical constraints that you’re presented with. Please posit an alternative country that is an example of a well run and equitable society that doesn’t have democracy or liberalism?
Perhaps I was unclear, the “they” I was referring to in my original comment was tankies and fascists, as mentioned in the OP.
Anyways, this:
is a pretty vague and meaningless. In theory? Sure, sounds nice. In practice? It’s twisted doublespeak for systems that are still fundamentally authoritarian.
Again, what is democracy, really? How are these metrics measured?
There’s so much to unpack I’m not really sure where to start. Are you coming from a perspective of " capitalism can be reformed with democracy" or “voting with your dollar is democracy manifest” or smthn else?