Anyone who labels themselves a centrist is just an embarrassed republican. No one, and I mean, no one on earth is 50/50 on Trump.
Remember that when the media starts flapping about centrists and swing voters.
they dont actually exist.
Elections are about the total number of voters, not convincing a bunch of imaginary people to make a better choice. That is a myth and both parties know it.
I’d take it a step farther and say that a centrist is just a fucking moron who believes there’s two sides to everything and both have merit. But these people don’t really exist or are so fringe as to be irrelevant.
Centralism doesn’t exist in Europe either. You’ve got the left wing party’s the right wing party’s the ultra nationalist right-wing party’s - if you’re lucky the right-wing party and the ultra national is right-wing party a different parties, sometimes they’re not though.
On that scale centre is right wing. We need some actual communists to balance the political seesaw.
The extremists pretty much all over the world have shifted the conversation so far to the right that there’s no room for a centralist party anymore because if they existed they would be opposed to pretty much everything right-wing party’s would be doing, and then they may as well just be the left-wing party.
That is complete bs, my country - Austria - has a center-left and a center-right party and that’s exactly what they are. And we do have an actual communist party, btw.
Look at Turkey, you’ve either got a borderline dictatorship, or you’ve got a party that want a democracy, there isn’t someone in the middle going oh well we should have the best of both worlds.
The right wing have basically pushed their agenda so much that there’s no room for anyone in the middle anymore they’ve stretched the political spectrum so why the middle essentially doesn’t exist. There’s no shades of grey anymore.
Or admitting they’re too dumb to make an informed decision. I’m proudly in that camp on several issues. Not going to spout rhetoric I don’t understand.
No one exists with views like this. I’ve done my research. I know! LOL
When faced with a different view point they can’t fathom it’s easier to say it is not possible than to have a rational discussion. It’s easier to hate on people than to try to understand them. I find both sides to be extremely lazy in their thinking.
This comment is embarrassing. Kudos for your ability to inject politics outside of the lens of American politics into a thread clearly about American politics.
Same applies when you hear an American person say they’re a social-liberal but fiscal-conservative. They think it makes them sound like an enlightened centrist, but as soon as I hear it I think “oh, this person’s a Trumper who doesn’t have the balls to just say it.”
Fiscal conservatives quietly became Republicans, but not “conservatives”. There’s a weird thing going on with that here… Your not wrong, though. They have been greedy cowards of they took this stance in the last few decades.
Anyone who labels themselves a centrist is just an embarrassed republican. No one, and I mean, no one on earth is 50/50 on Trump.
Remember that when the media starts flapping about centrists and swing voters.
they dont actually exist.
Elections are about the total number of voters, not convincing a bunch of imaginary people to make a better choice. That is a myth and both parties know it.
Or European lol Because yeah we actually have more than 2 party
These two blokes are clearly US folks.
Lemmy quite skewed towards American leftists (real left, not democrats)
Centrists are people who think being on the fence about every issue is a shortcut to being intelligent.
I’d take it a step farther and say that a centrist is just a fucking moron who believes there’s two sides to everything and both have merit. But these people don’t really exist or are so fringe as to be irrelevant.
There’s the other kind of moron, that thinks both sides are equally wrong. We call those South Park writers.
“Look at those idiots who care and, like, make an effort.”
This thread taught me that Americans don’t even know what centrism is
They remember a subreddit called “Enlightened Centrism” and don’t get the joke.
Most people commenting in political threads don’t know anything about anything.
Centralism doesn’t exist in Europe either. You’ve got the left wing party’s the right wing party’s the ultra nationalist right-wing party’s - if you’re lucky the right-wing party and the ultra national is right-wing party a different parties, sometimes they’re not though.
On that scale centre is right wing. We need some actual communists to balance the political seesaw.
The extremists pretty much all over the world have shifted the conversation so far to the right that there’s no room for a centralist party anymore because if they existed they would be opposed to pretty much everything right-wing party’s would be doing, and then they may as well just be the left-wing party.
That is complete bs, my country - Austria - has a center-left and a center-right party and that’s exactly what they are. And we do have an actual communist party, btw.
Of course there’s centralism in Europe
What are you talking about lol
That’s my point, we don’t.
Look at Turkey, you’ve either got a borderline dictatorship, or you’ve got a party that want a democracy, there isn’t someone in the middle going oh well we should have the best of both worlds.
The right wing have basically pushed their agenda so much that there’s no room for anyone in the middle anymore they’ve stretched the political spectrum so why the middle essentially doesn’t exist. There’s no shades of grey anymore.
If your first argument is Turkey…
That’s like saying the US public transport available by pointing out that Manhattan exists.
How about this… centrist, left, right… all subjective, even more-so regionally.
Where do I disagree with that?
There’s centrism in Europe and in most cases it will be quite left compared to USA
Or admitting they’re too dumb to make an informed decision. I’m proudly in that camp on several issues. Not going to spout rhetoric I don’t understand.
But the centrist character on TV said a line that made the other characters shut up! He has to be smart!
goddammit I hate how accurate this is
I’d absolutely vote for GOP 15 years ago depending on who is running. Today not so much.
If the GOP ever puts forward another Romney I think you’ll find that plenty of centrists exist.
That’s about the worst sentence I have seen on lemmy so far.
It’s two sentences and both are grammatically correct.
Swing voters most assuredly exist and if you think they don’t you’re ignorant about the US political process
You’re just telling on yourself at this point. Sorry for your mental deficiencies. Stay in school kids!
No one exists with views like this. I’ve done my research. I know! LOL
When faced with a different view point they can’t fathom it’s easier to say it is not possible than to have a rational discussion. It’s easier to hate on people than to try to understand them. I find both sides to be extremely lazy in their thinking.
Most people who label themselves leftists think it is socialism when the government does things and thus consider themselves socialists.
It’s not a new thing that people support political ideologies, or identifying with certain ideologies, because they’re dumb.
This comment is embarrassing. Kudos for your inability to view politics outside of the lens of American party lines.
How is this thread clearly about America? Typical Americans thinking everything is about them. The post is about leftism Vs. Centrism more generally.
Same applies when you hear an American person say they’re a social-liberal but fiscal-conservative. They think it makes them sound like an enlightened centrist, but as soon as I hear it I think “oh, this person’s a Trumper who doesn’t have the balls to just say it.”
Fiscal conservatives quietly became Republicans, but not “conservatives”. There’s a weird thing going on with that here… Your not wrong, though. They have been greedy cowards of they took this stance in the last few decades.
Fiscally conservative should mean voting for Democrats because Republicans are fucking awful with money.
But the Republicans still hold onto this myth that they’re somehow more financially responsible.
We need a reverse version of that “always has been” meme for “never were”
This is not being a “centrist”, thats a fifty-fifty-est