To be fair, the tankie in this situation said they are bashing because no one wants to plow fields. You can’t serve latte’s if no one is doing the hard work of growing and transporting the coffee.
How about working the oil rig to supply the petroleum needed to ship coffee from South America? You’ll probably lose a finger or two. Any unpaid volunteers?
If you’re talking small commune living then the onus of doing that stuff gets shared by as many people as are able and it’s hard work but it’s shared. If you’re talking greater socialist society it gets done the same way as it’s done now, but the people who do it get paid a much larger share of the value their labor creates and it is incentived to ease the burden where possible because you can’t treat the workers as disposable and cheap.
people who do it get paid a much larger share of the value their labor creates
That’s the tricky part. Without a permanent dictatorship of the proletariat, you have the masses determine value. “The state will wither.” is hand-wavy in the extreme. If the people determine value, that results in Glen Beck being worth hundreds of millions in value while school teachers get minimal just like today.
“A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.”
Yeah, totalitarianism is idiotic whether it’s communist in nature or not. A healthy representative democracy with well protected labor unions, employee/government owned services and allowment of free pursuit makes much more sense and is not incompatible with communism.
Though note, I’m not really a communist in that particular sense, I tend to be in favor of a mixed economy with strong union protections and with essential and beneficial services being operated for the public good.
To be fair, the tankie in this situation said they are bashing because no one wants to plow fields. You can’t serve latte’s if no one is doing the hard work of growing and transporting the coffee.
How about working the oil rig to supply the petroleum needed to ship coffee from South America? You’ll probably lose a finger or two. Any unpaid volunteers?
To be fair, you’re talking about slave labour.
Typical tankie take.
If you’re talking small commune living then the onus of doing that stuff gets shared by as many people as are able and it’s hard work but it’s shared. If you’re talking greater socialist society it gets done the same way as it’s done now, but the people who do it get paid a much larger share of the value their labor creates and it is incentived to ease the burden where possible because you can’t treat the workers as disposable and cheap.
That’s the tricky part. Without a permanent dictatorship of the proletariat, you have the masses determine value. “The state will wither.” is hand-wavy in the extreme. If the people determine value, that results in Glen Beck being worth hundreds of millions in value while school teachers get minimal just like today.
“A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.”
Yeah, totalitarianism is idiotic whether it’s communist in nature or not. A healthy representative democracy with well protected labor unions, employee/government owned services and allowment of free pursuit makes much more sense and is not incompatible with communism.
Though note, I’m not really a communist in that particular sense, I tend to be in favor of a mixed economy with strong union protections and with essential and beneficial services being operated for the public good.