I think the fact Europeans enslaved people have very much to do with the OP’s claim that replacing direct enslavement with debt peonage at a later date more than made up for not only the original enslavement but later colonialism.
Blaming an oppressed group for their own oppression is not a good look.
I think he assume you read the comment he put in his comment when you where commenting. Which is pretty short and this is it:
"They paid the moral debt with interest when they forced Africa to stop enslaving their own people to sell them.
Anyone who doesn’t know this is unqualified to speak about it or is being dishonest."
I do get your point which was europe had stopped doing slavery themselves (tacitly given peasants, indentured servitude, wager slavery [which under globalism increased greatly]) but were fine buying them as a commodity and then just deciding they can commoditization the whole race given how different they looked (one reason natives were not enslaved on that scale). Thing with commoditization slavery is it really treated slaves like a commodity and was more brutal than the type of slavery taking place in africa and more seen in history. For anyone or anyone I am in no way condoing or endorsing slavery but it is a complicated historical subject but I would rather have been a slave in many cultures than the typical american colony one or a typical dark ages peasant.
I get that my comment was too brief so it can be misunderstood, and gives more room when someone wants to distort it. i ellaborated on it here below but in short I was talking about all the people that actually sailed to africa and went to war with pirates and africans that wouldn’t stop ensalving their neighbors. this took many years. a lot of money and many european lives.
I think it comes down to sins. You can’t make up for killing someone by saving a bunch of lives. Now it can be a powerful personal motivator but part of that motivator is recognizing it can never be made ok.
I concede the point. I should have said they already paid reparations with those acts of self sacrifice. which is the closest they can get to making things right. at least it seems like a much bigger sacrifice than a payment in cash.
oh well that makes sense. the idea money is going to somehow make slavery alright is crazy to. I likely missed context due to just reading a link to a comment from another thread so I missed a lot since the one person just brought it up.
Wow, that’s a whole new level of racism than I’ve ever seen.
Say, who established those borders you claim are constantly at war?
Any chance those were arbitrary lines ignoring local history and cultures by the people OP thinks did nothing to owe reparations over?
You are very toxic and your interactions with others show you are following a playbook of smearing and characther assasination, I’m just responding so that no one else takes you seriously.
I would not be surprised if you actually are racist since you accuse everyone of that when you realize they are not radicals like you.
I think the fact Europeans enslaved people have very much to do with the OP’s claim that replacing direct enslavement with debt peonage at a later date more than made up for not only the original enslavement but later colonialism.
Blaming an oppressed group for their own oppression is not a good look.
You keep trying to inverse/distort my claims. What is this fabrication about debt peonage? How does it relate to my actual statement?
I think he assume you read the comment he put in his comment when you where commenting. Which is pretty short and this is it:
"They paid the moral debt with interest when they forced Africa to stop enslaving their own people to sell them.
Anyone who doesn’t know this is unqualified to speak about it or is being dishonest."
I do get your point which was europe had stopped doing slavery themselves (tacitly given peasants, indentured servitude, wager slavery [which under globalism increased greatly]) but were fine buying them as a commodity and then just deciding they can commoditization the whole race given how different they looked (one reason natives were not enslaved on that scale). Thing with commoditization slavery is it really treated slaves like a commodity and was more brutal than the type of slavery taking place in africa and more seen in history. For anyone or anyone I am in no way condoing or endorsing slavery but it is a complicated historical subject but I would rather have been a slave in many cultures than the typical american colony one or a typical dark ages peasant.
I get that my comment was too brief so it can be misunderstood, and gives more room when someone wants to distort it. i ellaborated on it here below but in short I was talking about all the people that actually sailed to africa and went to war with pirates and africans that wouldn’t stop ensalving their neighbors. this took many years. a lot of money and many european lives.
I think it comes down to sins. You can’t make up for killing someone by saving a bunch of lives. Now it can be a powerful personal motivator but part of that motivator is recognizing it can never be made ok.
I concede the point. I should have said they already paid reparations with those acts of self sacrifice. which is the closest they can get to making things right. at least it seems like a much bigger sacrifice than a payment in cash.
oh well that makes sense. the idea money is going to somehow make slavery alright is crazy to. I likely missed context due to just reading a link to a comment from another thread so I missed a lot since the one person just brought it up.
You keep trying to put shit into a comment that was never in it. Thats called framing and false facts.
Oh and paying African countries mostly funds terrorism and war lords, so not paying is more helpful.
Wow, that’s a whole new level of racism than I’ve ever seen.
Say, who established those borders you claim are constantly at war?
Any chance those were arbitrary lines ignoring local history and cultures by the people OP thinks did nothing to owe reparations over?
So stating facts is racism because they may hurt your feelings? Bro are you perhaps a little stupid?
So now your racist views are facts, are they?
They geopolitical equivalent of “…they’d just spend it on drugs.” isn’t you revealing your underlying racist assumptions, its a universal truth?
How 'bout that.
Bro its literally proven that most money doesn’t do good for the people there and just funds Warlords and Slavery.
Also its questionable how some country is even entitled to get money from others for something that happened more than a lifetime ago.
You’ve almost got racist bingo with your talking points there, maybe you should keep going.
You are very toxic and your interactions with others show you are following a playbook of smearing and characther assasination, I’m just responding so that no one else takes you seriously.
I would not be surprised if you actually are racist since you accuse everyone of that when you realize they are not radicals like you.
I just said racism was bad my guy.
You’re the one who engaged in the exact behavior you complain to everyone about.
Why did you downvote a “Sorry your dad died” post anyway? That’s not very Hank Venture of you.
Bro stating proven facts isn’t racism, your walnut brain may not be able to compute that but its still a fact.
Are you still on this?
I thought we all dropped this yesterday.
Everyone already gets how racist you are; you efforts are in vain on that front if you’re trying to convince anybody else.