It is essential to stop using Chrome.
Under the pretense of saving users from third-party spyware, Google is creating an ecosystem in which Chrome itself is the spyware.
Given Google's overwhelming presence in the browser market, this is unconscionable.
We should all despise the ad-tech business, and have no sympathy for the companies getting whacked by Google's actions. But we should not permit one monopolist to replace them all.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/12/year-review-googles-corporate-paternalism-browser
I’ve noticed a significant uptick in the number of users here who actively hate on Mozilla. Granted, Mozilla makes some baffling design choices (let me disable the QR code reader in the address bar on mobile FFS), but it’s never about that. It’s always about Mozilla being too “woke” or whatever.
Just the exact caliber of person you’d expect to use a browser such as Chrome, in spite of knowing better, and then to gloat about it.
Are you talking about me? I’ve been on FF for about 20 years, until Mozilla keept pushing crappy changes (despite unfavorable feedback from beta and nightly users). I ditched it in 2021 for something that works better for me. That, plus a bunch of controversies about Mozilla’s (mis)management, made me stop supporting them and advocating for FF.
FYI, I don’t use Chrome, even if I use a chromium-based browser. And no, I don’t feel guilty because of this. Whay should I?
I guess it was more of a general statement. I didn’t intend to target you specifically, just a trend I’ve seen. I’ve seen people link to statements made by Mozilla about things like supporting LGBT+ rights, and taking issue with that sort of thing, or who say they don’t care if the Brave CEO is actively disseminating bigotry. Y’know, the type of person who watches the Quartering and complains that we’ve become too “woke” and too sensitive.
I don’t think you should feel guilty. Even if you’re one of the people I’m describing above, I don’t think you should feel guilty. I just think you should opt to change. According to every therapist I’ve seen, guilt is pretty counterproductive for everyone involved.
I’m all for LGBT+ people rights and whatever. Eich is not my friend and I don’t agree with his personal views. Still, the “tool” they make is more appealing for me than competing “tools”, so…
I don’t actually feel guilty, of course. That was just an overstatement.
You said, “One thing is illegal, the other is not,” which is directly equating legality with ethics/morality.
Edit: If I’m somehow misinterpreting this statement, then perhaps you can explain how legality is relevant here? Everything we do is ultimately an ethical and moral choice. It’s up to us to determine what the responsible choice is. Here I think the choice is pretty clear.
Don’t like Mozilla? Great, then use one of its many forks, such as Librewolf, Waterfox, Mull, Fennec, etc.
I fail to see the lack of morality on chosing a browser over another. People use what works best for them. If for most people what works best is Chrome, well, I don’t feel there’s anything wrong in their choice. Buring tires “is wrong” regardlessly.
Everything the Nazis did in the Third Reich was legal. People who resisted them were breaking the law. Maybe we should evaluate things by their impact (pollution/invasion of privacy) rather than their legality.
If I cared about upvotes (scores are disabled on my end, btw), I’d simply write “use Firefox” over and over, which is what most people on the fediverse like to do (as if Mozilla was any better, nowadays).
google/microsoft are circling the wagons and are about to prevent anything but chrome and edge to be ‘official browsers’
so, to your point, yes we want everyone to use what they want. but continuing to use chrome will kill the very ecosystem that allows the choice you want to have.
Those of us that lived through the active X nightmare are well aware of the danger monoculture creates. Shame educating others is considered offensive to the sheep.
MS would love to be a third option. Instead they admitted that they couldn’t keep up with Google’s constant change and proprietary extensions of Web standards that allow Google services to work with Chrome.
So Microsoft gave up and adopted Chromium.
MS isn’t circling the wagons. They already surrendered to Google’s monopoly.
I’ve been repeatedly surprised by how many people are willing to defend Mozilla by saying every other corporation pays their CEOs too much too. It’s as if Mozilla can do no wrong, as long as other companies are doing worse somewhere else.
And if that’s the standard people hold it to, well, they’re basically condemning it to have no value whatsoever
It probably doesn’t help that, up until days ago, the biggest articles written about this were by a guy with a history of wanting Mozilla – and a handful of other companies – to fail, not because of bad behavior but because of a personal/political vendetta. (For comparison, he’s put out content supportive of Twitter despite its CEO.)
I guess it’s easy to say that any critic is one of his sycophants, but I’ve heard the criticism growing louder even within Mozilla’s own communities.
Actually no, thanks to Mozilla becoming a shittier company, it’s making Firefox worse in the process. For example, since Firefox 119, it’s been shipping with a data-sucking sidebar that it never announced in its release notes.
No one ever remotely gave mozilla a pass by warning that firefox is the last bastion against a return to the proprietary web we barely fought off with IE6.
Nope, it is ignorant users misleading other users as the subject is firefox’s behavior and not the corporate behavior just as the reason to avoid chromium crap is the behavior of chromium crap and the actions of googliebet are an entirely different issue just as Mozillas are.
Let people use whatever they feel like, ffs.
Nobody’s stopping you. Just saying it’s either ignorant or stupid to, and actively makes the internet a worse place.
The internet will do fine, don’t worry. And no, I don’t use Chrome.
What makes you so confident? It’s not as though the internet’s “fine” right now compared to where it was 20 years ago.
EDIT: I see your entire personality is hating Mozilla, and apparently that means people can’t hate Chrome too. Gonna just block this google shill.
20 years ago the Internet was pretty broken if you didn’t use IE.
I’ve noticed a significant uptick in the number of users here who actively hate on Mozilla. Granted, Mozilla makes some baffling design choices (let me disable the QR code reader in the address bar on mobile FFS), but it’s never about that. It’s always about Mozilla being too “woke” or whatever.
Just the exact caliber of person you’d expect to use a browser such as Chrome, in spite of knowing better, and then to gloat about it.
Are you talking about me? I’ve been on FF for about 20 years, until Mozilla keept pushing crappy changes (despite unfavorable feedback from beta and nightly users). I ditched it in 2021 for something that works better for me. That, plus a bunch of controversies about Mozilla’s (mis)management, made me stop supporting them and advocating for FF. FYI, I don’t use Chrome, even if I use a chromium-based browser. And no, I don’t feel guilty because of this. Whay should I?
I guess it was more of a general statement. I didn’t intend to target you specifically, just a trend I’ve seen. I’ve seen people link to statements made by Mozilla about things like supporting LGBT+ rights, and taking issue with that sort of thing, or who say they don’t care if the Brave CEO is actively disseminating bigotry. Y’know, the type of person who watches the Quartering and complains that we’ve become too “woke” and too sensitive.
I don’t think you should feel guilty. Even if you’re one of the people I’m describing above, I don’t think you should feel guilty. I just think you should opt to change. According to every therapist I’ve seen, guilt is pretty counterproductive for everyone involved.
I’m all for LGBT+ people rights and whatever. Eich is not my friend and I don’t agree with his personal views. Still, the “tool” they make is more appealing for me than competing “tools”, so…
I don’t actually feel guilty, of course. That was just an overstatement.
…so you will actively support a bigot.
Finished that statement for you.
You are part of the problem. I’m done talking to you, but I do hope you get better.
Does google listen to your feedback?
I don’t use Chrome
LOL, who cares about Google. Take your meds, dude.
People using it, however, won’t.
Your statement means nothing.
let people burn tires in their backyard if they feel like it, ffs
One thing is illegal, the other is not. Try a different analogy.
If your morals and ethics hinge on legality, then I’ve got some bad news for you…
I’m not the one making absurd comparison.
You said, “One thing is illegal, the other is not,” which is directly equating legality with ethics/morality.
Edit: If I’m somehow misinterpreting this statement, then perhaps you can explain how legality is relevant here? Everything we do is ultimately an ethical and moral choice. It’s up to us to determine what the responsible choice is. Here I think the choice is pretty clear.
Don’t like Mozilla? Great, then use one of its many forks, such as Librewolf, Waterfox, Mull, Fennec, etc.
I fail to see the lack of morality on chosing a browser over another. People use what works best for them. If for most people what works best is Chrome, well, I don’t feel there’s anything wrong in their choice. Buring tires “is wrong” regardlessly.
Everything the Nazis did in the Third Reich was legal. People who resisted them were breaking the law. Maybe we should evaluate things by their impact (pollution/invasion of privacy) rather than their legality.
Fine. People, stop buying stuff on Amazon, then.
I like how you say that as if its impossible.
I stopped buying things off of Amazon many years ago because they don’t respect privacy and are unethical.
Well done. Same here.
Now, please actively bother other people (IRL family and friend, not strangers on the internet) they must do the same.
People here on the Fedi seem so eager to teach others what is best for them.
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If I cared about upvotes (scores are disabled on my end, btw), I’d simply write “use Firefox” over and over, which is what most people on the fediverse like to do (as if Mozilla was any better, nowadays).
but see, they wont. thats the problem.
google/microsoft are circling the wagons and are about to prevent anything but chrome and edge to be ‘official browsers’
so, to your point, yes we want everyone to use what they want. but continuing to use chrome will kill the very ecosystem that allows the choice you want to have.
Those of us that lived through the active X nightmare are well aware of the danger monoculture creates. Shame educating others is considered offensive to the sheep.
Don’t you play Star Citizen?
MS would love to be a third option. Instead they admitted that they couldn’t keep up with Google’s constant change and proprietary extensions of Web standards that allow Google services to work with Chrome.
So Microsoft gave up and adopted Chromium.
MS isn’t circling the wagons. They already surrendered to Google’s monopoly.
And that is why soon there shall be a monoculture of browser and all control shall be ceded to massive corpo.
Thank Mozilla’s (mis)managemet for that.
I’ve been repeatedly surprised by how many people are willing to defend Mozilla by saying every other corporation pays their CEOs too much too. It’s as if Mozilla can do no wrong, as long as other companies are doing worse somewhere else.
And if that’s the standard people hold it to, well, they’re basically condemning it to have no value whatsoever
That’s what I have noticed as well. Mozilla always gets a free pass.
Off topic remains off topic.
It probably doesn’t help that, up until days ago, the biggest articles written about this were by a guy with a history of wanting Mozilla – and a handful of other companies – to fail, not because of bad behavior but because of a personal/political vendetta. (For comparison, he’s put out content supportive of Twitter despite its CEO.)
I guess it’s easy to say that any critic is one of his sycophants, but I’ve heard the criticism growing louder even within Mozilla’s own communities.
Which is all also irrelevant to the browser behavior.
Actually no, thanks to Mozilla becoming a shittier company, it’s making Firefox worse in the process. For example, since Firefox 119, it’s been shipping with a data-sucking sidebar that it never announced in its release notes.
Your bookmarks are sucking data? Care to back that up with any evidence whatsoever?
No one ever remotely gave mozilla a pass by warning that firefox is the last bastion against a return to the proprietary web we barely fought off with IE6.
I can link to some comments if you want. But I think it’s fair to assume that on the internet, people will come up with the dumbest opinions possible
So you are supporting the even greater evil to spite Mozilla? It’s not mozilla pushing manifest v3 that will cripple ublock origin.
Yes. Mozilla doesn’t deserve it’s reputation or its status. And I don’t need Ublock Origin. Stopped using it years ago.
Nope, it is ignorant users misleading other users as the subject is firefox’s behavior and not the corporate behavior just as the reason to avoid chromium crap is the behavior of chromium crap and the actions of googliebet are an entirely different issue just as Mozillas are.