WASHINGTON: A US military service member has died, after setting himself on fire in an apparent act of protest against the war in Gaza, outside the Israeli Embassy in Washington on Sunday (Feb 2
It takes courage and convictions to do this kind of protest. There’s no need to reduce it to just a suicide. It was a courageous and highly honorable act. I’ve got nothing but respect.
Nah, it comes down to suicide. Whatever the reason, as admirable as anyone may claim the act is, it comes down to the fact that he chose to leave everyone who ever loved him behind. Suicide only hurts the doer momentarily but it hurts those he left behind forever. That my friends, is a cowardly and selfish act.
I think we can have compassion for people who commit suicide because of suffering and are young, but not think it’s a good or ideal thing. I think the protest here or euthanasia because you’re old/sick is a different thing.
For everyone (for me) condoning suicide too much – I always think about it like this:
We were dead for billions of years and we will be dead for billions of years. This little sub 100 year run we all have is just a flash in the pan and even if you’re not having a good time at all and think you can’t ever have a good time, surely just sticking it out for the novelty if nothing else is better in most cases of suffering than checking out too early. We’ll all be back there soon enough.
Compassion, of course. Put it this way, the National Review (a conservative piece of toilet paper someone forgot to flush) put out a hit piece about this saying all sorts of bullshit. I mean so you disagree with his politics, he broke a military rule, so fucking what? He’s dead, mourn him don’t trash talk him, and show everyone you’re a subhuman piece of scum (his name is Luther Ray Abel from Sheboygan Wisconsin, do your worst to him please). I still think suicide is a selfish and cowardly act and only hurts those who love you.
Forcing people to stay alive against their will while they suffer in one way or another because you can’t deal with missing them is cowardly and selfish.
Bullshit. You are insulting everyone who’s had a legitimate reason to commit suicide and their loved ones by proxy. Get this puritanical nonsense out of here. I’ve known multiple people who’ve committed suicide, and while it hurts to lose them, they’ve all had valid reasons, and it’s really tasteless for me to dismiss that or guilt trip people who want to check out.
And in this case, it’s objectively one of the most selfless acts imaginable.
No, of course, there are exceptions like euthanasia, sacrificing yourself to save others, etc. His was a suicide not because he was terminally ill, he wasn’t saving someone’s life, he was making a statement. You can call it selfless all you want but the fact is everyone who ever loved him will never see him again because he took himself away from them.
It was a protest against our nation’s complicity in genocide. This was objectively one of the most selfless acts and meaningful sacrifices imaginable. I have nothing but the utmost respect.
He said he would not take part in genocide anymore which I didn’t quite understand because he was stateside IT, not anything to do with combat or intelligence.
I think the “pearls being clutched” are that you have a great general point but are suggesting something strange. A role model is someone you want people to imitate. We want people to get his message, not to just do the same thing.
Sacrifices like this should always be super rare. If he’s inspiring others to action, then it should be mass protests (at least), not more immolations.
A role model is someone you want people to imitate
Yes
Sacrifices like this should always be super rare. If he’s inspiring others to action, then it should be mass protests (at least), not more immolations.
Maybe people are understandably uncomfortable with self immolation? Nobody has ever liked an effective activist in their time. The civil rights protesters in USA had a <25% approval rate in the 60s.
I think this person did what he thought was right, and I will remember him for that. And peace can’t come soon enough.
I wish he had another choice. We failed him by not being organized enough to welcome him as a comrade. Instead he chose to do the only thing he could. I admire his courage, but it’s a damn shame we lost someone willing to die for Palestinians.
We’ve failed him, we’ve failed the Palestinians, we’ve failed our immigrants and refugees, we’ve failed our LGBTQ+ people and people of color, we’ve failed our poor. The story of America is a story of one failure after another.
And I say “America” even though this is world news, because he was American.
It was about creating an in-group and implementing a caste system under the deceptive guise of democracy. What it’s never actually been is democratic or free.
I wasn’t aware of that, but I say that’s an indictment of their organization; a small org that doesn’t ever get beyond charity work and the occasional street protest could not save him from despair. A few thousand likes on Facebook? Is that the height of the organization he could join in his area? I’m sure they’re trying their best, but we have to get organized on a much larger scale to be able to do anything that matters.
Beyond being an indictment of their org, that’s an indictment of us all. We are not organized enough. Not even close.
Lol sure. I don’t think it makes sense to have the same goals as a Zionist, personally. You and a Zionist both wish you were “courageous” enough to kill yourself, I don’t see how that could possibly improve things.
Aaron Bushnell, hero and role model
I’d like to know why anyone would downvote this. Do you support genocide?
Sadly there are still a lot of vile people on Lemmy. A lot less than Reddit, but still plenty
And they all stick to the same 3 instances.
How about suicide? Less fond of that one.
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It takes courage and convictions to do this kind of protest. There’s no need to reduce it to just a suicide. It was a courageous and highly honorable act. I’ve got nothing but respect.
Nah, it comes down to suicide. Whatever the reason, as admirable as anyone may claim the act is, it comes down to the fact that he chose to leave everyone who ever loved him behind. Suicide only hurts the doer momentarily but it hurts those he left behind forever. That my friends, is a cowardly and selfish act.
I think we can have compassion for people who commit suicide because of suffering and are young, but not think it’s a good or ideal thing. I think the protest here or euthanasia because you’re old/sick is a different thing.
For everyone (for me) condoning suicide too much – I always think about it like this:
We were dead for billions of years and we will be dead for billions of years. This little sub 100 year run we all have is just a flash in the pan and even if you’re not having a good time at all and think you can’t ever have a good time, surely just sticking it out for the novelty if nothing else is better in most cases of suffering than checking out too early. We’ll all be back there soon enough.
Compassion, of course. Put it this way, the National Review (a conservative piece of toilet paper someone forgot to flush) put out a hit piece about this saying all sorts of bullshit. I mean so you disagree with his politics, he broke a military rule, so fucking what? He’s dead, mourn him don’t trash talk him, and show everyone you’re a subhuman piece of scum (his name is Luther Ray Abel from Sheboygan Wisconsin, do your worst to him please). I still think suicide is a selfish and cowardly act and only hurts those who love you.
Nobody asks to be born. You should be able to leave when you want.
Forcing people to stay alive against their will while they suffer in one way or another because you can’t deal with missing them is cowardly and selfish.
Mental illness can be treated. This guy had issues that needed help. Not gasoline and a match.
Unless you were his psychiatrist this is just armchair conjecture.
Indeed
Bullshit. You are insulting everyone who’s had a legitimate reason to commit suicide and their loved ones by proxy. Get this puritanical nonsense out of here. I’ve known multiple people who’ve committed suicide, and while it hurts to lose them, they’ve all had valid reasons, and it’s really tasteless for me to dismiss that or guilt trip people who want to check out.
And in this case, it’s objectively one of the most selfless acts imaginable.
If you think this is legit reason to suicide. You’re as stupid and crazy as the dead guy.
No, of course, there are exceptions like euthanasia, sacrificing yourself to save others, etc. His was a suicide not because he was terminally ill, he wasn’t saving someone’s life, he was making a statement. You can call it selfless all you want but the fact is everyone who ever loved him will never see him again because he took himself away from them.
It was a protest against our nation’s complicity in genocide. This was objectively one of the most selfless acts and meaningful sacrifices imaginable. I have nothing but the utmost respect.
He said he would not take part in genocide anymore which I didn’t quite understand because he was stateside IT, not anything to do with combat or intelligence.
I truly beleive that this falls under sacrificing yourself to save lives
Nope. Wrong continent for that. Now if he was on active duty in the IDF you would have an argument.
Telling people that someone who burn himself is a role model is poor taste even if you respect the cause.
How so? I’m expressing my respect and gratitude in the best way I know how.
This is tiresome and pointless pearl clutching.
I think the “pearls being clutched” are that you have a great general point but are suggesting something strange. A role model is someone you want people to imitate. We want people to get his message, not to just do the same thing.
Sacrifices like this should always be super rare. If he’s inspiring others to action, then it should be mass protests (at least), not more immolations.
Yes
Imagine gatekeeping protests.
What do you mean - do you think more people should set themselves on fire?
I’d never presume to be so haughty as to prescribe to another person a form of protest, nor to disparage a meaningful and impactful act like this.
But you are saying he’s a role model, which means you think more people ought to imitate him.
Maybe people are understandably uncomfortable with self immolation? Nobody has ever liked an effective activist in their time. The civil rights protesters in USA had a <25% approval rate in the 60s.
I think this person did what he thought was right, and I will remember him for that. And peace can’t come soon enough.
I fully agree. I have mad respect for him, which is why I expressed my admiration and support.
No. Dumbass. This is pointless. He would’ve been much more effective with a sign and bullhorn protesting all day, every day.
Pretty tacky to explain to a person who made such a huge impact what he should have done
Also uncivil to call me a d*mbass for respecting this man. Reported.
It’s not like the commenter started a seance…
I wish he had another choice. We failed him by not being organized enough to welcome him as a comrade. Instead he chose to do the only thing he could. I admire his courage, but it’s a damn shame we lost someone willing to die for Palestinians.
We’ve failed him, we’ve failed the Palestinians, we’ve failed our immigrants and refugees, we’ve failed our LGBTQ+ people and people of color, we’ve failed our poor. The story of America is a story of one failure after another.
And I say “America” even though this is world news, because he was American.
Sometimes I have this thought that feels like a realization that it was never even about “the people” or “freedom” to begin with.
It was about creating an in-group and implementing a caste system under the deceptive guise of democracy. What it’s never actually been is democratic or free.
He was actively involved in anarchist organizing with Serve the People in Akron, OH.
I wasn’t aware of that, but I say that’s an indictment of their organization; a small org that doesn’t ever get beyond charity work and the occasional street protest could not save him from despair. A few thousand likes on Facebook? Is that the height of the organization he could join in his area? I’m sure they’re trying their best, but we have to get organized on a much larger scale to be able to do anything that matters.
Beyond being an indictment of their org, that’s an indictment of us all. We are not organized enough. Not even close.
Can we please not call people who set themselves on fire role models?
Aaron Bushnell is a fucking role model
I wish I had half the courage it took
I don’t get this, I’m sure right-wingers would wish you had the courage, too. Why would you idolize this instead of looking at it like a tragedy?
Because I am not going to disrespect a deep and meaningful selfless act like his. I’m not so disrespectful
Lol sure. I don’t think it makes sense to have the same goals as a Zionist, personally. You and a Zionist both wish you were “courageous” enough to kill yourself, I don’t see how that could possibly improve things.
Moron